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    I read that they were the same too, but the Vicoden didn't help with my pain as much. I will point blank ask my doctor the difference when I see him nex month. Vicoden also made me sick to my stomach unless I ate something as well as migraines. I can tke a Lortab and have never felt sick. Maybe it has something to do with the active ingredients...I don't know. There are many times that I break my Lortab in half especially when my pain was 24/7 before I had my implant. I seemed to handle it better taking a half of one every 2 hours.

    I am so thankful that I dont have a doctor that says, so and so is addictive so I won't let you try that. My doctors knows that I only take meds when necessary and while they may be addicitive, I am more addicitive to not being in pain and living as close to my old life as possible. I know I haven't tried them all, but every time I even tried longer acting meds, I wasn't able to function, plus my retention would increase.

    I have decreased my pain meds so much, that I thought that Ultram would be good to try since it's not as strong, but when I take it, it's still as if I hadn't taken anything. I could never understand how taking 2 ultram (Tramodols) were supposed to give relief but 4 to 6 Hydrocodones kept me pain free. I am down to 2 a day and definitely don't take any at all during the day. Afer my implant I could ge by with 3 to 4 as long as my bladder was stable. Now I am down to 2. One before bed and one around 3 to 4 am and that is all I need except for Prosed DS during the day. Dr. Ling did add Listeril to my med list this month, which as you know is similar to Xanax. As before he feels that the antianxiety meds help my pain meds be more effective and I don't have that worry about finally lying down and knowing that at any moment my bladder is going to need to be emptied, so why get too comfortable.

    I am literally afraid of longer acting meds because 1, I hear people getting close to running out and they have to actually get a prescription to get the meds filled and 2, they have side effects. Some go away after time. But I just don't have time to get used to them. I have never had to get used to the effects of Hydrocodone. It takes away my pain especially when I follow my doctor's advice and take one as soon as I feel the pain getting to much to tolerate. Both Dr. Ling and before him Dr. Ragi Doggweiler made it very clear to me that the pain meds work better when they are not having to play "catch up" to the pain I am already experiencing. I tried Morphine for one month right after Dr. Ragi left and the doctor that took her place thought that all I needed was Morphine 1 time of day. I didn't know what people meant by breakthrough meds until that point and now I can't understand why any doctor that has pain mgmt certification can keep that mentality. That is when I emailed Dr. Ragi and she quickly gave me my current doctor's name. I also found out that Dr. Ragi's replacement wasn't even aware that I had an interstim. So much for going over my file!

    Sorry for the long post. I just start ranting at time when I know doctors have the knowledge and just don't use it or cater it to their own patient's needs that is right i front of them!

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    nORCO 10/325

    You are all right, the only difference in the name is if it is brand name or generic and who makes the pill/ The most recent prescrition I got is the BEST pain med I have ever taken because it takes away the pain and does not make me feel dopey or nausous. It is:

    NORCO WATSON 853 thats generic. HYDROCODONE/APAP TABLETS 10/325MGS 100s CIII
    NDC: 00591-0853-01
    *Compare to: NorcoŽ Color/Shape: Yellow: Capsule-Shaped: Bisected
    Inscription: Watson 853
    Orange Book Rating: AA
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    Thanks Gina, I will ask about that. My med already makes be feel "normal" for the most part, but I will be glad to give Norco a try. Thanks for the info!

    T83

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    I don't think Norco works as well as Lortab. The extra tylenol helps me. I take Lortab 10/650 generic. I have had liver function testing an my liver is perfect. The only way that I would change to Norco would be if my liver started suffering b/c of tylenol consumption. I will say this though, Lortab does not work as well for me now as it did when I started taking it. I believ, as well as my pharmacist, that my body has built a tolerence to the active narcotic hydrocodone, not the amount of the drug. I have been taking Lortab for almost 3 years. The pharmacist says he sees a lot of chronic pain patients switch thier pain meds about every 6 months and it prevents them from needing stronger/more frequent doses. Like take Lortab for 6 months then Percocet for 6 months and switch back and forth.I will be seeing a pelvic pain/endo specialist on the 18th and will speak with him about switching to oxycodone/Percocet. I have taken it before with great results.
    With Lots of Love and Wishes for Pain Free Days~Heather

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    Thanks hdb...I was wondering if I was just odd if I had meds that did the same thing but worked differently on me. I was actually going to call my doctor tomorrow, so your post makes me feel so much better. Having the liver function test always made me feel better even though my doctor said that they really weren't necessary to have them as often as I asked him to, but both he and my former doctor "humored" me especially since my dad died of liver failure. I don't take the huge amount of meds I used to, but there for a while, I just couldn't get it through my head that I was really doing okay on my meds, no matter how many times I verified it with my doctor, my pharmacist and read all the patient material, I wanted the LFT to prove that I wasn't causing further damage. I even kept a journal...still do, so I could watch for any signs, no matter how insignificant. My husband was also a great resourse because I knew he would notice if I was acting strange (which some meds made me a very aggitated nut) especially the nerve meds. I could share some scary stories about some of the side effects, but I won't since there are many people that those same meds have made their symptoms so much better. I had myself convinced I was doing well and it would just take time to get over the side effects and the pain would get better with the increase of dosages since the material said so, but my husband knew when I wasn't at all myself especially when I would pick fights with him or even wonderful friends for no reason and would get my feelings hurt so easily over the slightest change that occurred in my life. One time I even got upset over a simple misunderstanding at a restaurant. I am sure I looked like a raving lunitic. There were a few times that I called my doctor just to "spite" my husband because I felt he was making a big deal out of nothing, and my doctor would either fit me in for the next day for an appointment or tell me to stop taking the new med until he saw me. I definitely learned then (even though I knew in my heart from the beginning of my IC) my husband was trying his best to take care of me no matter how mad I felt he was making me.

    I think I am the only person I know that has been able to use Lortab for so long. I took 7.5 Lortab for about 8 years and switched to 10 mgs in the last couple of years. Last year when I was having alot of problems with nerve pain. I was waking up feeling like my bladder was on fire and peeing shards of glass which of course made it so difficult to empty my bladder, my doctor tried to get me to take stronger and longer acting pain meds. Especially when the nerve meds like Neurontin, Lyrica and Topamax's side effects were worse than the treatment (that was really when my journal was a great value to me. Reading some of the things I wrote sometimes still terrifyies me, but I hung in there with the Lortab. Another poster gave me some great info on the med she takes for long acting pain control and I was one sentence away from agreeing to take it, but I was just so afraid to try it until I knew there was nothing else to help me. I was also using B&O supp during this time, which didn't necessarily help me with the "bladder on fire" symptom, but it did help calms things down. We went back over my history to check things out that appeared to be new and we realized that I had not been sleeping for more than 2 to 3 hours at a time, so I was getting up and emptying my bladder, therefore emptying my bladder before it got to the point of causing so much pain. I had recently started taking Rozerom which was allowing my body to finally sleep for extended periods of time. We figured that the retained urine was causing my new symptom. I read about Prosed DS on this site and the usages seem to fit me perfectly. My doctor prescribed that to me and of course made it clear that I needed to drink at least 8 ounces of water even before bed! It took about 2 weeks to finally see a difference. I was ready to throw in the towel on yet another med, but then I started seeing the difference in my symptoms...finally! I think he was even pleased that I stood my ground and was able to stay on the shorter acting pain meds. He is even more pleased that I am decreasing those. I know we are all different when it comes to how meds effect us and for how long. My body is quite the opposite with most meds. I can only take them for a while then they lose their effectiveness. I go back and forth on others that I take. The meds I do take, I have little if any side effects with. I read about people taking a 1/4th of a valium or amitrytyline and can't get up the next morning still. I take the recommended dosage and can function the next day.

    For any newbies that are reading this, I know this is a long post, but I feel it's so important to know how to learn to read your own body and keep a journal as well as have someone that you trust, whether it be a husband, a boyfriend, a family member or a friend that you can count on especially when you are adding new meds to your routine.

    At one time, I felt I was absolutely in control, read everything I could about each and every med, but our bodies are so different. We need that extra "net" to help us stay on track.

    Sorry so long. Just something I am so passionate about!

    Hugs, T83

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    I am very passionate about proper pain relief as well, it is something so many IC'ers go without
    With Lots of Love and Wishes for Pain Free Days~Heather

    ~I was diagnosed with Interstitial Cystitis at the age of 23, 4 months after getting married. I also have severe Endometriosis, Adhesion Disease and Pelvic Floor Dysfunction. All of which were diagnosed AFTER being diagnosed with IC. Before IC my only health issues were a history of migraines since I was a child and a battle with cervical dysplasia. I had a LEEP in 2007 and have been clear of the cancerous cells since.~

    ~Please feel free to PM me if you have any questions, concerns or comments. Or if you just need a friend, someone to listen. I am almost always lurking around online somewhere. LOL~


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    I think the exrtra tyleno and the diff type of codeine that is used in vicodin is what was making my stomach so nausous and just didn't take the pain away. It made me very irrritable too and I was constantly itching my noce. NO WAY could I have drove a car on the vicodin!!

    Norco 10/325mg has twice the amount of bitartrate (narcotic) and much less Tylenol. It took my pain away instantly and I DO think I could actually drive on it!! I only got this because of my recent thyroid surgery. No one has even offered pain meds for my IC!!! I plan to ask my URO for some, then my family doc and if that doesn't work, I'll go to a pain specialist which I found on this website. Lastly, Norco makes me feel normal and happy-no irritability!
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    I hear you Gina, I took a half of vic 5/500. I was so sleepy and drowsy and I felt like crap the rest of the day. I felt so drained and I took such a small dose. I didn't like the way it made me feel. When it wore off I had a headache. Thank you all for your replies and info, I really appreciate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muxerr012 View Post

    Norco 10/325mg has twice the amount of bitartrate (narcotic) and much less Tylenol. )
    I'm sorry that statement confused me. What do you mean twice the narcotic? 10/325 means 10mg hydrcodone 325mg tylenol. It is the same amount of hydrocodone as 10/650 Lortab
    With Lots of Love and Wishes for Pain Free Days~Heather

    ~I was diagnosed with Interstitial Cystitis at the age of 23, 4 months after getting married. I also have severe Endometriosis, Adhesion Disease and Pelvic Floor Dysfunction. All of which were diagnosed AFTER being diagnosed with IC. Before IC my only health issues were a history of migraines since I was a child and a battle with cervical dysplasia. I had a LEEP in 2007 and have been clear of the cancerous cells since.~

    ~Please feel free to PM me if you have any questions, concerns or comments. Or if you just need a friend, someone to listen. I am almost always lurking around online somewhere. LOL~


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    I tried Norco today. I got the 5/325 and the doctor gave me the 7.5/325 also. I asked him if I could start at the lowest dose possible and he said yes but the 7.5/325 would probably work better for me. Well I took it and I did not get tired, or dizzy, I actually felt normal and had some pain relief. My IC doc said it is better to take because it has less tylenol. He rather see me with less tylenol and I can take one every 4 to 6 hours. So this is by far the best one I have taken yet. I only worry about generic because I can't take generic tylenol because it bothers my bladder, I can only take brand name. The extended release tylenol is the best for me as far as my bladder. So when name brand is available in pain pills, I always ask for it if it has tylenol in it. Lisa
    Lisa
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    Lisa,
    I'm so glad it doesn't seem to be bothering you sweetie! :woohoo: I know how hard it is for you to find a pain med that you can take. I will keep all my fingers and toes crossed for you that you don't have any after effects or anything and you can finally get some pain relief. I can't imagine going post op without pain meds. I know I have said this a million times but it's so true since I can't make it through the day now without pain meds I can't imagine doing it post-op from a hysto.
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    I am sooo glad you found something that works for you. It just goes to show how each one of us is so different
    With Lots of Love and Wishes for Pain Free Days~Heather

    ~I was diagnosed with Interstitial Cystitis at the age of 23, 4 months after getting married. I also have severe Endometriosis, Adhesion Disease and Pelvic Floor Dysfunction. All of which were diagnosed AFTER being diagnosed with IC. Before IC my only health issues were a history of migraines since I was a child and a battle with cervical dysplasia. I had a LEEP in 2007 and have been clear of the cancerous cells since.~

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    I know we are. LOL, hey the lortab may have even worked, the vicodin did not thats for sure. Thank you all for your help and suggestions, I really appreciate it.
    Lisa
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    Diagnosis: IC in 1999 , IBS, Pelvic floor dysfunction, vulvodynia, vestibulitis, chronic low back pain, scoliosis, hunners ulcers on bladder, hysterectomy 2/08, fibro 3/08, sciataca


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    Whoo hoo- doing the happy dance around the room. Or actually I am not but I would if I felt better, lol

    I did very well on Norco also. They wouldn't give me the brand name b/c I have stupid Kaiser and they are psychos about brand/generic. But I did well on the generic and I was happy as a clam. I took the 10 mgs one but my hubby has used the 5 mg ones and did great on those too.

    I hope they continue to work. So happy to hear you found something you could tolerate. I guess I am lucky I have a system like a horse b/c I can take just about anything, lol!

    Sarah
    Current meds; , effexor 37.5 mg 2 times a day, and lyrica 100 mg 3 times a day, lots of reading and snuggling with the pets!

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    hdb1982,

    I'm sorry that statement confused me. What do you mean twice the narcotic? 10/325 means 10mg hydrcodone 325mg tylenol. It is the same amount of hydrocodone as 10/650 Lortab

    Sorry for the confusion but I was comparing Norco to Vicodin Vicodin 5/500 has only 5 mgs of hydrocodone and 500 mgs of tylentol. Hope that makes more sense and sorry if I confused anyone. I just can't tolerate so much tylenol, it makes me throw up just after having throat surgery-not fun!

    The Norco 10/325 took care of my pain and stopped the nausea instantly. Now if I can just get my URO to agree to prescribe me pain meds for flares I will be so happy! Also the lower dose of Norco 5/325 is working well too. My surgeon lowered my dose for me and it is working great
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