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icnmgrjill
03-11-2010, 11:31 AM
At least once a month I talk with an IC patient who, for a variety of reasons, is simply unable to talk about their bladder and pelvic pain symptoms. They usually offer vague, non specific words like “it hurts down there” thus requiring twenty minutes or more of carefully worded questions to determine what’s really going on. Unfortunately, doctors rarely have the time it takes to get these patients talking more, thus leaving both the patient and the physician frustrated and unsatisfied with the appointment.

One of my most memorable conversations was with a very kind, elderly woman who was unable to find the right words to use with her doctor. In addition to her IC, she struggled with some unusual “crotch” symptoms. It took dozens of detailed questions before she was able to say that when she urinated, she also had a strong “pressure like” sensation to have a bowel movement. This had been going on for years and yet she’d never been able to describe it to her doctors. This was, indeed, a very unusual symptom that was later determined to be fairly severe pelvic floor dysfiunction.

There’s no doubt that men and women of an older, gentler age were simply discouraged from talking about their “personal” problems but, in 2010, even younger folks struggle with finding the right words to describe their symptoms. Men with IC often have referred pain to the tip of their penis and the testicles yet often feel uncomfortable telling their doctors where the pain is and when it occurs. Similarly, women with IC might struggle with vulvar pain or an unusually odd “painful arousal” sensation that occurs when the pudendal nerve becomes irritated. Not surprisingly, women rarely tell their doctors about it for fear of being labeled a sexual pervert.

Teenagers and/or people who have not read books about their health or anatomy may not know what their different body parts are called. Asking “do you have pain in your urethra” to them is like speaking a foreign language. They may not know what the urethra is and where it is located, much less be able to tell you that the sharp burning they feel when they urinate is located in the urethra. Fancy words are not required. If you’re comfortable using the word “pee” rather than “urinate,” go for it!

Tragically, there are patients who are unable to talk. One of the saddest conversations I had was with a mother whose teenage daughter had several cerebral palsy and IC. She couldn’t speak and the only way that her mother could tell when her IC was bothering her was when she squirmed in bed or cried. Similarly, senior citizens with often struggle with consistent and severe bladder problems that medical staff incorrectly assume are bladder infections. In one case, one family member related to me that her mother, long diagnosed with IC, was being given coffee and cranberry juice every morning and by the afternoon was suffering severe pain. Once the staff were educated about the IC diet and provided other drinks, the patient improved dramatically.

Your ability to verbalize and discuss your symptoms is not only a gift but essential to your health. If you find yourself struggling to describe your symptoms, consider the following words and use those that apply to you:

Location: bladder, bowel, urethra, rectum, vulva, vagina, penis, testicles, scrotum, lower back, upper back, legs, hips

Symptoms: frequency, urgency, pressure, pain, difficulty starting urination, constipation, spasms,

What does it feel like: Burning, aching, razor blades, ground glass, tightness, an electrical shock sensation, something falling or dropping out of you, something being pushed inside of you, stiffness

How often does it occur: Is it episodic or continuous?? Does it occur every night?? Every morning? Is it worse before meals or after meals? Does it happen before your menstrual period?

Are your symptoms positional? Does it occur when you’re sitting, standing or walking? Does movement make it better or worse?

Does it involve urination or defecation?? If so, how? Is the pain worse before you urinate, while you are urinating or after you are done urinating? Does the pain change when you have a bowel movement?

Saying “I’m in pain down there” is not going to get you very far. But, if you say, “my bladder hurts before I pee and I feel a bit better after I pee”, that’s much more helpful and suggestive of bladder wall irritation. If you say “My pain is the worst at the end of urination and it’s so bad that I hate going to the bathroom”.. then that’s suggestive of perhaps some bladder or pelvic floor spasms.

Remember, there’s no shame in having IC or any other medical condition. Most doctors talk about urinating, bowel movements, hemorrhoids and many more embarrassing conditions every day. Don’t allow yourself to suffer! Just go for it.

sailawaygrl
03-11-2010, 11:42 AM
Good tips, I have a Dr appointment next week and have started preparing notes to take with me, otherwise I forget to tell him everything in the room. He sees my paper and sometimes just looks at it with me. I thought I was rather good at describing my problems but some suggestions you gave will be helpful. I know it is crazy but I still can't bring myself to tell them about the awful arousal sensation, but I have vowed to do it this time! Especially with what I just read concerning the sensation. I didn't know that was due to the pudendal nerve. Wish me luck.

Thanks again,
Sandra

ICNDonna
03-11-2010, 11:56 AM
Wonderful post! When I was first diagnosed, it was very difficult for me to talk even with my doctor; big change from today! When I was a child (I really was!), any "down there" problems were whispered among my mother and her peers as "female problems," which could be anything from a hysterectomy to a UTI, or even menstrual cramps.

Donna

SharonA
03-12-2010, 05:35 AM
That is so true, Donna. Shoot...When I found out I was pregnant 40+ years ago, I could not even say that word to my mother. I had to tell her I was going to have a baby. She would not have appreciated that I used such a vulgar word.

ICNDonna
03-12-2010, 05:40 AM
When I was pregnant the first time, my mother didn't want me to tell anyone until I "had to"

Donna

SharonA
03-12-2010, 06:00 AM
:lmao: I so relate. :lmao:

mary124
03-12-2010, 06:18 AM
I'm just a tad younger than you, (I know don't rub it in!) but when I was pregnant it was ok to use that word (27 years ago) but to use the word hysterectomy or having cramps it was known to my mom as "female surgery or female problems.)

Trishann
03-12-2010, 02:51 PM
I am one of them that it is not easy to find the right words to explain about symptoms. My explanation is that I am in pain!

I didn't know the different words like sharp pain, like electricity pain, pin and needles pain. I thought pain was pain but doctors want exactly what kind.
"I thought well I go to the doctor to figure it out, but they want words.
It can be a problem, glad I found this place and realize we do have to learn to talk exactly what we are feeling. But sometimes we don't know exactly where the pain is coming from, hope doctors will listen and figure it out then!!
But it is sure great to go prepare before going to the doctors.

This place is so helpful more than you can imagine!!

Julie B
03-13-2010, 12:15 PM
I like to compare this to not being able to say the word breast. Thirty years ago you didn't talk about breast cancer or breast feeding. Now it is everyday language, thank God. Then we worked the words colon and colon cancer into our everyday lexicon.....time to push the envelope for bladder.......

When I grew up I was the only girl and my mom had a hysterectomy when she was just 27. Needless to say, I didn't talk about any of that with my mom, let alone tell her when I started my period. I made sure, however, my kids could talk about anything, even around the dinner table. It just about kills my husband, but I would much rather have it that way.

Great great post, Jill!

Chellethinques
03-21-2010, 06:39 AM
Thank you so much for this! I'm still struggling to find words for my pain, even with a female doctor, and to explain to friends exactly why I've been so withdrawn this year.
I've said frequently that the next time I have a chronic health issue, I would like it to be in a more socially acceptable body part, like the elbow. :)