FLU and HINI FLU SHOTS

[tigger_gal]

Note from ICNDonna: Children are suffering severe illnesses from this virus. If you have concerns, please talk with your own physician before rejecting having your children immunized. There have already been many deaths from this virus.


Fox News makes it very clear: "The H1N1 flu virus can damage the developing brains of unborn offspring..."
The article on the Fox News website goes on to elaborate: "...children born to women who have suffered[B] flu infections during pregnancy are at increased risk of schizophrenia and possibly autism too."

As it has been abundantly proven, mercury and its derivatives are responsible for autism in children and many other neurological diseases, such as the Gulf War Syndrome.
Mercury in its most common form - thimerosal-
is put in almost all vaccines made available to the public, usually as a preservative. As it was recently unveiled
by the Washington Post, many doses of the new H1N1 vaccine will be stored in multi dose vials which will contain
thimerosal.

THIMEROSOL CAUSES AUTISM

Ingredients in vaccines have been proven to cause neurological damage. This can be at times minimal, and maybe
difficult to notice, but the more we vaccinate the more abundant these symptoms become. Our childrens’ immune
systems are virtually non-existent, because they never have to naturally fight of anything. They tell us that
vaccination is the safest way, but is it really possible for them to track the significance of the the small
adverse reactions? NO!! And as far as the rise in incidence of cancer, maybe we should look at everything else
we put into our bodies (i.e. pesticides, synthetic estrogens, etc.) that they tell us is safe, but all have been proven to cause cancer.

[vm]

Not all of the flu vaccines will have thimerosal:

Some vaccine manufacturers will be producing 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine in single-dose units, which will not require the use of thimerosal as a preservative. In addition, the live-attenuated version of the vaccine, which is administered intranasally (through the nose), is produced in single-units and will not contain thimerosal.

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/vaccination/thimerosal_qa.htm

[tigger_gal]

Yes I agree, you should talk to your pediatrician like my cousin did when she took her kids in for one and they told her no as it can call autism in children and Alzheimer in adults. He also indicated that the non thimerosal (50% mecury) is not an injection are low supplied and he does not have it.

Great sight I seen this and a few others

as posted above and inn the article, Some vaccine manufacturers will be producing 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccine in single-dose units, which will not require the use of thimerosal as a preservative. In addition, the live-attenuated version of the vaccine, which is administered intranasally (through the nose), is produced in single-units and will not contain thimerosal.

Hopefully they will be enough to go around

[vm]

Everyone needs to be careful and make informed decisions re: all vaccinations.

Some claim a link between thimerosal and autism (or mercury and autism) and others say that link has been disproved. The more recent studies show there is no link, but this is definitely a hotly debated topic in autism circles. Definitely something to discuss with your healthcare provider.

[momof3britts]

I had Britt at a quick clinic today for a back strain, and while there 3 young ones left with positive H1N1 tests. We were given mask at check in as a precaution. I am highly thinking about the vaccine after speaking with the provider, who states that it is more common then the public realizes. My understanding from talking with her that the worries are if you take the 2 dose shots. It is a hard choice, but all vaccines are but the lives they have saved are amazing.

[ICNDonna]

Husband Terry and I will be immunized as soon as the vaccine is available; he has had a heart valve replacement and I am diabetic, which puts us both in the "high risk" group.

Donna

[tigger_gal]

It is a hard choice to make, I question the theory and truth of Autism and vaccinations.
Jen broke the solution down for me, I am coping her great work Thimerosal itself is 50% mercury, that part is correct. However, Thimerosal is just ONE PART of the vaccine. When it is put in the vaccine, it is diluted down to just 0.01% of its original strength. So, depending on the vaccine, the total mercury concentration in the vaccine is AT MOST 0.005% (if the vaccine is 0.01% Thimerosal, and Thimerosal is 50% mercury, then only one half of 0.01% of the vaccine is actually mercury).
My fears it is still not determined safe or unsafe by the fda. Mercury Causes Brain Neuron Degeneration. why would they put this in a child's vaccine and other vaccines. It can cause autism and Alzheimer.

All I wanted to do is make you all aware of the risks. not to mention my cousins kids doctor said he would not give them the shot because it can cause Autism

[tigger_gal]

What Ingredients are in the H1N1 "Swine Flu" Vaccine? (Yes, Intranasal Contains Live H1N1 Virus)(Updated as of 10/23/2009)

**UPDATE: The FDA has released package inserts for the four (4) approved H1N1 "swine flu" vaccines in the United States of America. You can read this list at H1N1 "Swine Flu" Vaccine Package Inserts (CSL, Novaris, Sanofi & MedImmune) or by going to the FDA official website and checking the approved product package inserts for CSL Limited, Novaris Vaccines and Diagnostics Ltd., Sanofi Pasteur Inc. & MedImmune, LLC. Upon quick glance, the vaccines appear to contain thimerosal (mercury), gelatin (processed pigskins) and formaldehyde. Also, don't forget that MedImmune's Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccine Live, Intranasal will contain LIVE H1N1 "SWINE FLU" VIRUS.

[ICNDonna]

Even physicians aren't in full agreement on this subject. My suggestion is that you discuss this with your own physicians before making a decision.

Donna

[Sarojini]

Please also note that it is quite likely that the flu shots (and other vaccines) are probably NOT the largest source of mercury in your life. It is pretty well established that the drinking water in many states contains mercury (the EPA sets the max allowable level at 2 parts per billion - check here (http://www.epa.gov/ogwdw000/contaminants/dw_contamfs/mercury.html) for more information on mercury in water and in soil), and of course we have all heard of the problem of oceanic mercury collecting in fatty fishes such as swordfish and especially tuna (check here (http://www.nrdc.org/health/effects/mercury/guide.asp) for info on THAT - essentially, if you eat a lot of tuna sandwiches, you're probably taking in way more mercury than you would be by getting your vaccinations).

Everyone must make their own decisions about whether or not to get these or any vaccines. There is a very hot debate on whether or not vaccines cause autism at the moment, and I am not saying that opinion is correct or incorrect because there are reports going either way - HOWEVER, there are no CONCLUSIVE scientific reports proving either side, so both sides of the debate are still hypothesis and conjecture (i.e., thus far, nobody's right yet :) ).

I am simply trying to point out that we tend to sensationalize things, and it is really necessary to think about them from all sides before doing so. By sensationalizing things, we can cause widespread panic, which does no one any good. In fact, there is much more scientific evidence on the danger of mass panic than there is on the danger of vaccines! I would like to encourage everyone to do their research, ask questions, and form educated opinions about EVERY ASPECT of your health, from your IC to whether or not you wish to get vaccinated. :) :grouphug:

[bluetou]

I think this is a PERSONAL decision that needs to be made after you personally have gathered all the informatoin you need from your health care provider. Become educated with the possible risks and benefits, and then make an informed decision.

WE personally will get the vaccination. I have seen healthy adults get the flu and are dead within weeks of contracting it. DO I want that risk for my family. I think not. I have educated myself and am well aware of the pros and cons, and for me It is the right decision.

Peace
Blue
:pray:

[mary124]

I was told by my doctor that since I had the H1N1 that I don't need the shot.
I did recently had the seasonal flu shot along with my husband as we are both high risk- he has diabetes and I had a valve replaced.

[Mothergoose]

Part of the problem is everyday they say something else about the h1n1 shot and the spread of H1N1. It is very hard to deciffer what is true and not true. I don't think any one really knows for sure which is the better route to take, you need to research in places you trust where the information is coming from and talk to health care workers and one than one Dr. if you need to do this to make an informed deccision.

Part of it all is luck, you will never know what was best because you could get the shot and then never be exposed or not get the shot and be exposed or not exposed.

Right now I am following recomendations for washing hands etc, and I will get the shot, when available to me because I am the primary care giver of my 94 year old father inlaw, he has bad COPD and is on o2 all the time, if I get it I will not be able to go near him,and he needs the help.

Good luck to all of you still struggleing with what is best it is very hard to know especially when it comes to children.

My son got 2 of the 4 vaccine shots for whooping cough, he was allergic to the vaccine. When he was 5 he caught whooping cough 3 times, my husband got it twice, yes they were tested and it was positive. It was awful going throught that with him he was one very sick litle boy, but the blessing was he was 5 not under 1 so he was able to fight it off eventually, my daughter old also was allergic to this vaccine and so she didn't get it either and by chance she never caught it from my husband or my son, I was quite worried for her as she has asthma. So go figure, you just don't know.

But it is so sad on Tv when you see greiving parents who have just lost their healthy child to H1N1.

I am praying for us all to get through this and out the other side with the lest amount of problems.

MG

[nottoc4]

My husband and I have had both shots,seasonal and H1N1. We are both 67 years old and I have Asthma and he has COPD.

Last year we both had the seasonal flu shot and my husband got the flu anyway. We both took Tamiflu and I didn't get the flu. He was sick as a dog for 2 weeks.

[tigger_gal]

tuesday when I was at the Dr they have signs all over that it is only reccommended for pg moms, children under 6 months. health care professionals, and people with health problems that the flu woulf put them at risk.

Please understand, My first post and following ones was not in any way to offend anyone. For those of you who do not know me, My 4 and 2 year old are adopted. Shortly after Jake got his mmr he started to become a completely different child and was dx'ed with Autism and Aspergers. In the last 4 months he and his sister was tested positive for FASD, Jake with the worse kind, he has brain damage. No one can tell me if the shot had made my son worse or not.
Over the last 3 1/2 years I have read so much on what can happen it scares me. I left no stone unturned seeking answers. It felt right to me to express how I felt about the shots, because of a personal experience.

[ICNDonna]

As of yesterday, at least 117 children in the United States have died of swine flu. One of my friends has a 14-year-old son who ran a temperature over 104 for several days; this was several weeks ago and he's still not fully recovered.

I don't think this is one I want to play with. We will get our shots as soon as they are available.

Donna