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04-27-2007, 12:39 PM
Got a call today, yeast cultured from my appt 3 weeks ago. Its a very odd strain. The thing is i had NO symptoms of it really. Some discharge that day but i thought it was ovulation.
I just fear putting in the cream and upsetting the delicate blance killing all the yeast and leaving the deadly bacteria, and bad yeast.
If i had symptoms it would be easier for me to treat.
Plus i have my period now, so i dont know if the cream would hold.
Any adivce. I really am getting tired of it all.
04-27-2007, 03:30 PM
HI! I'm just ending 15 days of Diflucan for yeast. I have a real problem with it since I take so much Nexium every day. Have you tried Diflucan? I also take Probiotics and acidophilius........between all that it seems to keep me balanced while fighting a yeast infection. Good luck......hope you get rid of the yeast....it's such a pain! Roxie
04-27-2007, 04:30 PM
thanks for your help. My yeast is resistant to the difflucan, i always have the odd rare strains.
Im wondering if maybe my internal PT is causing the yeast, since I got it after I started the internal PT and havent had it since 2006.
04-28-2007, 09:44 AM
I'm taking a stronger probiotic now VSL# 3. My gastonterologist gave me some samples and I just got my first 30 day supply in the mail. It is expensive, but it has 450 billion bateria per sachet and my gastronterologist said it is the only probiotic that was studied, other we don't know what theyr are b/c it is not regulated. I thought that was a good point. I also take Nexiun which contributes to have infections. I tried to discontinued it and I couldn't. I'll try again in teh near future.
Today I have some yeast, mine is chronic and the *^7^&:cussing: doesn't show in cultures so it is harder to treat! Does that happen to anyone else?
It is a pain.
Recently I tried some yogurth (locally) my gyno approved it. I think it helped a lot but I discontinue the treatment b/c I was waiting for the cultures which came negative.
I won't use cream anymore they are too harsh. I used boric acid before and now I can't tolerate that anymore.
04-28-2007, 11:59 AM
SMR do you need a prescription for that probiotic?
Now that is scary that the yeast didnt culture out, i wonder if maybe i never did actually get rid of it either and maybe it just didnt grow on the culture.
around ovulation i get a discharge, which i thouht was normal, but that was when i had the culture done and now it shows yeast, so i guess it is yeast discharge.
not sure how i keep getting these very odd strains either.
thanks for replying, it makes me feel like im not alone in all this.
After getting the yeast call yesterday i was very down, today stayed in bed until 1PM, just beside myself with this illness.
04-28-2007, 06:06 PM
Sorry you're feeling down! I'm right there with you (not to suggest I truly know how awful you are feeling only you know that). I am just in this permanent bad mood from lack of sleep.
I have lots of yeast too - vaginally and in my mouth (got bad breath all the time now). Does vaginal yeast cause dryness? I never used to have dryness and now have a big problem with that.
04-29-2007, 10:33 AM
I hope you feel better now. I know this can be very frustaring but you have to stay strog to fight it back. Chin up!
To change the perspective of your thoughts, the fact that you have a different strain is no worse than having a common strain that is resistant to diflucan. That happens to most of the women who get recurrent yeast infections. Including myself (I don't even know what strain I have..!)
You just have to learn all you can about treatments and work with your doctor to treat it and finnaly get rid of it. Not easy but it is possible.
I know what are the things that promotes my yeast and I avoid them or do prevent tehm. Like, I know I'll get a yeast infection before my period so I have been taking diflucan right before my period as a preventitive measure and havent' had a raging yeast infection right before my period like I used to before, since January. That is a big step for me.
What I have is a mild overgrowth but is enough to damage the skin and cause irritation b/c it's been there for so long (it is getting better though..)
To answer your question, no, you don't need a precription for the probiotic I'm taking but I got it from my gastronterologist b/c she said that is the only one that was studied and thinks it'll help.
Other probiotics brands... who knows what it is in there b/c it is not regulated. So I took the samples my doctor gave me and ordered online after. Will see how that goes.
Have you asked your doctor for a medication to help you sleep?. Sleeping 8-9 hrs a day is a priority for me. I took ambien for a week to and now I take it only as needed. I'm on 15v mg of Elavuil and that helps me sleep throgh th enight. I also take benadryl sometimes before bed and that knocks me off.
It helped me to use yogurth locally as well.
You can write me anytime you want. God bless.
04-29-2007, 04:03 PM
Erica- Thanks for your post, this lyme stuff isnt easy....it just creates so many problems for us. to answer your question, yes yeast can cause a tight dry feeling, this can also be vulvadynia too. Have you had any cultures to see what you could take to treat the yeast? Do you have any burning. You really want to treat it because yeast can damage the tissue.
I really feel for you not being able to sleep and wish that I could do something to help, just keep researching...there has to be something that will help. Also, do you think that some of your bladder symptoms could be the yeast?
SM- thanks for your post, I am feeling a bit better now. I am back into the fight mode, started on my probiotic again (i take theralac) some natural supliments too. I was able to beat it before with natural meds and the probiotics, so im hoping i can do it again. Sad thing is I didnt even know i had a yeast infection at all, so this concerns me even more. I dont even know when i have one. thats how messed up the vulva is for me. Also, i fear it will get like it once was. Im trying to stay positive.
04-29-2007, 09:12 PM
SMR218- Yeah I've asked my doctor and tried so many things I can't even count them. Medications, homeopathy, acupuncture, etc etc. Nothing works at all. I recently tried a medication that's supposed to be wonderful at increasing deep sleep. It seems to help everyone but I couldn't fall asleep on it. I have paradoxical reactions to things it's awful. Nothing works. I seem to be sleeping every other day. I got 26 hours without sleep then sleep and then the next day stay up 26 hours etc. I'm exhausted.
Mich - Yikes what do you mean it can damage the tissues? That's scary to me. I don't have burning but I have a new sensation that seems to have come about within the last month and I don't know how to describe it. I guess burning would describe it but it's not painful it's just uncomfortable. Truly burning isn't the right word I don't know what the word is.
You know what my doctor's yeast cultures came back negative! How can that be? I can physically SEE yeast and yet the test came back negative. What do I do? Now I'm concerned 'cause you're saying it can damage the tissues. I don't need more problems! What do I do??
I'm sure some of my bladder problems could be from yeast but this bladder thing started before the yeast/antibiotics so I think a lot of it is due to inflammation from Lyme disease.
04-30-2007, 02:40 AM
Erica- Did the gyn do a yeast culture where they let it grow out, or did they just to the swab that tests for yeast under the microscope? I would just take probiotics and maybe add a yeast killer to your protocol like nystatin or difflucan (check with your Dr first) Also, are you sure it is yeast? It could be normal discharge(i notice i have more since I got lyme) or bacterial vaginosis even.
when was the last culture you had done? what did the gyno say about your discharge and pain?
Does it feel a bit raw or like it is sticking?
I didnt mean to scare you.
04-30-2007, 10:15 AM
Wow on VSL and still have a yeast infection...how much are you taking? No you don't need a prescription for it but it is very strong...most are around 10 billion cells...VSL is 450 billion or 225 billion.....so you should talk to a doctor about taking it.....though I must say most doctors do realize that that probiotics are very healthy.
Mich...I would really wonder if since it is around your period if something like boric acid or something that works on the ph of your vagina would be more what you need?
VSL has been a mirracle for me....I take a lot of it and it has done great things for my ulcerative inflammed pouch ...helps my IBS...and I think I have only had one accurance of yeast since starting it when yeast used to be a chronic thing that I struggled to get rid of.
Yikes what do you mean it can damage the tissues? That's scary to me. I don't have burning but I have a new sensation that seems to have come about within the last month and I don't know how to describe it. I guess burning would describe it but it's not painful it's just uncomfortable. Truly burning isn't the right word I don't know what the word Sort of like how chronic uti's can dammage the bladder chronic yeast can lead to vulvodynia or overly sensitive vagina in some people.
:grouphug: to all!!! :grouphug:
04-30-2007, 12:24 PM
Yeast can cause nerve damage because it irritates the nerve endings, which become chronically inflammed, and release histamines even when no culturable yeast seems to be present. The yeast kind of burrows down into the cell walls, and creates a constant irritation. Eventually the nerves kind of form a loop like in a computer and set up a cycle of irritation, pain, almost regardless of what sets them off. They kind of become "touch me nots" which act up when something touches them (like jeans) or a chemical that is new touches the surface.
Your best bet is a round of anti fungals (for a month or more) and then constant use of a strong probiotic. Limit sugar in diet.
04-30-2007, 02:59 PM
[QUOTE=Katrina;326173]Wow on VSL and still have a yeast infection...how much are you taking? No you don't need a prescription for it but it is very strong...most are around 10 billion cells...VSL is 450 billion or 225 billion.....so you should talk to a doctor about taking it.....though I must say most doctors do realize that that probiotics are very healthy."
I just started with VSL very recently, I was taking other probiotics before.
Now I take 1 VSL #3 sachet per day, I mix it with danactive yogurth right before breakfast. One sachet has 450 billion probiotics. Should I take more than one sachet per day? How long did it take to start working for you (for yeast infections)?
I just talked to my doctor and I emailed him this article I want to discuss with him a few items in the article since we have been fighting my yeast infections for a long time. The article if from a sample letter from the NVA, please read the one on yeast infections and vulvar vetibulitis, copy this website address in you address bar. http://www.nva.org/patient_services/NVA_Fall2000.pdf
We'll keep in touch! ( I don't knwo how to do this quote thing so I highlithed it)
04-30-2007, 03:21 PM
My doctor left it up to me on how much vsl to take ...since for me it its management of ulcerative colitis...I went to VSL's website and looked at the amount they recommend for jpouch management started with that and worked my way to what helped enough without getting too thick of stools for me...I switched to capsules when the capsules came out and now take 225 mg capsuls...4 of them...twice a day....I was doing half of that before but lately my IBD has been flaring!!!!! When I realized more helped I took more.
When I did the packets I did one or two ....which helped but my current flare has me taking more....and like I said doc left it up to me to determine how much I needed since basically this is my only chance to not be on immunosupressants or something scary like that!!!
When I quote I usually use the quote button last one on the end if your in quick reply
and just copy and past what I am quoting in between the codes that come up. Hope that helps! I will check out that site in a bit!
I should probably add...my dose is with me on antibiotic treatment at the same time!
04-30-2007, 06:52 PM
Thank you guys. I'm going to start on a 10 day round of Diflucan and I'm watching my diet being a lot better about it. I'll see how I feel after the 10 days and if it's still bad I"ll talk to my doctor.
Where can I buy the VSL probiotic?
These are the probiotics I'm on now:
-Udo's super 8
-Udo's oral lozenges
Do you think that is a sufficient amount of probiotic or would it be worth it to add the VSL probiotic? I'm on azithromycin and Bicillin injectable.
04-30-2007, 07:05 PM
Sorry didn't see your post. It was my Lyme doctor here in Canada who did the test and I would have to ask her if they sent it out or what they did with the sample because I really don't know.
I think it's yeast for sure because it has that white pasty consistency (yum! haha ewwww). Yeah I'm sure it's yeast.
05-01-2007, 04:06 AM
Katrina- I had the culture done April 18th and got my period April 29th.
So, im not sure what is going on with me, Im thinking it is all the creams I use, the lidocaine has a glycol base, and im sure PT can also throw off the PH.
Now i fear using the valium supository because its just going to make things more yeast friendly. I just wish Dr would THINK. All they do is throw yeast killers at you, and then everything gets thrown off. So, im real hesitant to use the cream the dr prescribed. but at the same point I dont want the yeast to get out of control.
Can you tell im frustrated.:help:
05-01-2007, 09:14 AM
If you google VSL#3 the first thing is their site and you buy from there or you can ask if your pharmacy can order it for you but since they ship it cold at no extra cost and it needs to be refridgerated ordering from them has worked out pretty well for us. I believe their site gives directions on how to get a pharmacy to order it if it doesn't stock it already.
One of the good things about them is that in their VSL#3 Unflavored packets the only ingredients are the bacteria and corn startch. I have done ok without noticing problems with the capsules but there are some extra ingredients with that option.
That is a lot of different kinds of probiotic some of which I don't know in my head how strong they are but if we were to say that they are all 20 billion which about as high as anything other the VSL goes all of them together would than add up to 120 billion cells....which is still slightly less than one VSL capsule. I know that saying they are all at 20 billion is being very optimistic...they just aren't that strong. The point I am trying to make is that VSL really is very different than any other probiotic as far as strength. I don't know what is a sufficient amount for you. How much a person needs is individual. My guess though Erica is that with being on such strong antibiotics it is likely you may need more especially if you are on antibiotics often.
:grouphug: :grouphug: Going on to read page 2 before I realize I am making no sense or repeating someone else lol
05-01-2007, 09:27 AM
Erica, and others too you have me wondering about what that negative yeast culture that my doctor did that sure looked like yeast to me was. It wasn't vaginal in me but I never found out what it was.....just used something that would kill anything since it was just my mouth.
Mich, :grouphug: sorry your frustrated!!! :grouphug: Like you I used to hate putting things into my vagina no matter what it was for because any extra moisture meant yeast would likely be grow. To me VSL turned out to be what I needed...it helped so much in me. Antibiotics have definatly taken their toll....I just recently got diagnosed with osteopenia even though we were already treating me like I had it because we knew it would it happen eventually...it just happened faster than we thought it would regardless....and I am obsorbing calcium and D well but the antibiotics are making this a harder game post hysterectomy...granted they may not be the only med contributing but lets just say they have made life hard!
I don't know what you need to get your yeast under control....since what makes us more vulnerable to yeast isn't always the same thing. You just remind me a lot of how I once was!
What does PT stand for in your post. I often expect it to mean physical therapy but not sure if I am understanding you.
05-01-2007, 09:37 AM
You are correct the PT is physical therapy. My PT started internal Physical Therapy and it just seems more then coincidental that i have a yeast infection now.
Im using capsaisin now too for the vulvar vestibulitis and then lidocaine before PT.
My life revolves around my vulva and it is getting very old.
Do you think boric acid would hurt my vestibulitis. I guess i will have to aks my nurse practitioner if i could use boric acid.
Erica- you are lucky your LLMD did the culture, my LLMD never cared about my yeast and sent me to my gyno.
05-01-2007, 09:56 AM
I really can't say, I have heard of some patients say that boric acid hurt and I have heard some that felt almost anything bothered them but that didn't...so it possibly depends on weather or not it was you need.....so maybe test the ph of your vagina first. Reading up on vestibulitis seems to say one possible cause is ph change...so it seems you should test your ph and find out if your too acidic or too alkaline. :grouphug::grouphug:
05-01-2007, 10:24 AM
wow, that is interesting katrina, do you have a link to the vestibulitis info, that would be great to read.
How can i test my vaginal PH? can i use the urine test strips, im trying to visualize how to do this. thanks.
I assume im alkaline since i drink evian water and dont eat carbs.
Im thankful the capsaisin works but it isnt addressing the cause. especially now that the yeast is back.
I probably should call my compounding pharmacy and see if they might be able to make something that isnt as strong with boric acid in it.
05-01-2007, 01:41 PM
http://www.uihealthcare.com/depts/med/obgyn/patedu/vulvarvaginaldisease/vestibulitis.html I think I read it there.....I would ask Sami about how to test vaginal ph ....I myself would probably do what you said but she may have a better idea than that. Good luck!
05-01-2007, 02:07 PM
Mich I was just going to ask you about these "rare" strains of yeast that you are talking about. I have a red vukvur area with mild itching and discharge along with my urethra infammation and my uro/gyn is convinced its yeast. The regular cultures from my past gynolcologist came back negative and ive been on diflucan a few times but the symptoms dont seem to go away. He cultured me for a wierd strain of yeast and this test takes 60 days to culture. Have you ever heard of this? I thought I HEARD him wrong when he said 60 days, but no that was correct. Just curious is you know about this, thanks!
05-01-2007, 03:39 PM
thanks katrina, i will get in touch with sami, and let you know.
Kell- wow 60 days, no i havent heard of this one. Do you know what lab he is using?
My uro does a three week culture allowing time for yeast to grow out, wow and i thought that was a long time to wait.
your symptoms sound similar to what i get ocassionally and what i had everyday for about a year.
with the odd strains of yeast most likely Difflucan wont help it, most are resistant to diflucan. I never had a yeast that could be treated with the diflucan.
Have you been tested for vulvar vestibulitis as well.
05-01-2007, 07:10 PM
Thanks for the tip about VSL#3! I just ordered 3 boxes of the powder. I hope it helps me as much as it has helped you.
05-02-2007, 04:56 PM
Vaginal pH: The normal vaginal pH is 3.8 to 4.5. Bacterial vaginosis (BV), trichomoniasis, and atrophic vaginitis often cause a vaginal pH greater than 4.5
My vaginal PH is most of the time 4.2, 4.5.
I asked my dr and he gave me a roll of vaginal ph test strips for free. I can imagine that you could order that online too.
I just swab the vagina very gently with a q tip and quickly put it on a very small piece of the PH paper, the color changes immedately. The only thing is does fo rme is to know I don't have a BV. (But I could have some yeast overgrowth with a normal PH...) That's my case.
Boric Acid: I used boric acid several times last year. The last round was in October, and that's when my first vulvodynia symptoms started.
One round of Boric acid won't cause VV but if you use it many times, it could.
I read in one thread here in the ICN a lady who uses boric acid mixed with cocoa butter. I thought that was a good idea. Another thing I've learned AFTER I got V V, is that you can use A&D ointment around the opening of the vagina while you are on boric acid, that way you'll proect some the skin. I use A&D ointment now to protec the skin from yeasT. I don't use boric acid anymore. If you'll try it, try a very small amount first and see how you react.
One time I used boric acid douches for 7 day (is called Arden Powder) it was soothing I think it helped. That was th eonly time I douched for many days in a row.
I asked my dorctor about douching and he said I could try that treatment again with vinegar. I will continue trying the plain yogurth treatment first and then I'll see.
Now I'm having sime spotting (?) out of the blue so I can 't do any treatments for yeast.
05-03-2007, 02:28 PM
Thanks for that info on vaginal ph!! I sure hope your ok!
Erica, good luck!!!!
05-05-2007, 05:58 AM
Can you get MSM gel at a store?
I have alot of urethra pain and that sounds wonderful!
05-05-2007, 06:46 AM
She (Roxie) has mentioned you can get MSM gel at www.jacoblab.com
I haven't ordered yet but I want to know if Vulvodynia patients can use it....
05-05-2007, 07:18 AM
HI! I don't think you can buy it at reg. stores....only at the online website. Roxie
05-05-2007, 09:57 AM
wow, this is getting to be a lengthy post! Sami also messaged me and said that you can insert a PH strip in the vagina and press it against the inside wall and test it that way as well.
I have a question about the yeast culturing. I got my results in the mail today and the yeast is Candida Famata. I did a brief google and it says it is part of the normal flora on the skin, but can cause urinary infections. Its also found in milk.
Now, i know when they do the urine cultures if normal flora is found they ignore this....is it the same with the yeast, is it that more yeast grew then normal flora.
Im confused, on the one result is said normal flora grown, then the next said yeast grown on culture.
I used the gynazole, and it really has iritated me more then i was before, i am even now having what i think is urine leakage!.- I should have went with my gut and just treated it with probiotics and olive leaf since i had NO symptoms.
Now i fear the PH is upset and it is bacterial that is growing.
05-07-2007, 04:16 PM
I hope gynazole helps you get rid of the yeast and you don't get any more infections.
How do you treat yeast with olive leaf? I've never heard of that one.
RePHresh (or acidjel) helps bringing the vaginal PH under control to a healthy PH that makes you less likely to get a rebound infection after treating the yeast with creams. You can buy it at a drugstore. The only problem is that it may burn you since you have V V so you probbably want to check with your doctor or use a very small amount of it only....
Maybe leaving things alone for a few days will bring the PH back to normal on its own.
Underwear: I've went to a support meeting today and someone told me to add clorox bleach to the water when doing my underwear laundry or vinegar. That is supposed to kill yeast in the underwear if ther's any. Does any of you do that? When exactly you add the clorox or vinegar? I'm already washing my underwear twice (first with unscented detergent and hot water, second cylcle is with cold water only....
05-08-2007, 03:28 AM
The olive leaf is an oral suppliment, ive been taking one capsule a day for a week now, and supplimenting with probiotics before bedtime.
Since I didnt know i even had an infection its tough to guage how i am feeling by symptoms.
I know after i used the cream i felt worse and still do in this area.
Its always wet with sweat or something, and when its not wet its extremly dry. The other nite i got out of the shower and went to insert the valium supository and the inner labia was stuck together very tightly....
At PT yesterday my internal muscles were tighter then they have been, so maybe some of the iritation is also from the muscles.
sadly my life revolves around my vulva. Dr cant give me answers, its horrible.
I havent heard of the clorox or the vinegar for the underwear. It would be nice if the vinegar alone killed it , so we didnt have to worry about it.
05-08-2007, 05:56 AM
Does your PT use latex rubber? If so, that could be the culprit. I have had problems with latex since I was a teenager. Cannot even wear normal underwear without getting a bumpy itchy rash where the latex rubber is.
If the material that your PT uses does not agree with your delicate system, it can be thrown out of whack.
I also take Diflucan. Have been on it for months because of yeast coming and going and them never being able to keep it alive long enough for it to culture. They see yeast and lots of it under the microscope, then send it to culture and it comes back negative or unidentifiable. It's ludicrous.
But, alas, the Diflucan didn't work for me either....at first. It took several months of 200mg every other day to knock it back. I even got a bad yeast infection in December while on Diflucan. We upped my dosage, and I've been on it ever since.
I cannot deal with the pain from yeast infection in addition to IC pain.
I hope this helps.
05-08-2007, 07:24 AM
Want2be- Im really starting to think it might be the internal PT. I had a session yesterday and today I have more discharge and burning. And all of this started after the internal PT started, yeast didnt culture before that.
the gloves she uses are blue, i dont think that they are latex free, and the gel she uses is antibacterial.
I do think i have a sensitivity to latex because years ago I wore latex gloves and they made my hands itchy and red.
This is so beyond frustrating, how can i continue internal PT with this complecation.
Also the valium supository seems to just agrivate things now too(but i started this after the yeast culture)
Im kinda on my own with this because i seriously doubt my Uro NP is going to know how to figure this all out.:cussing:
05-08-2007, 12:38 PM
I'm on th esame boat heere, I've been with this yeast infection forever, kind of keeping it under control with all the treatments I have tried but it keeps coming back. My case is the same, as want2 be pain free b/c it never cultures! But my doctor and I know it is yeast. Things got out of control after last course of anitbiotics last July.
I thoguht I got things under control with yogurth but every week at some point BAM I get discharge and pain and burning along with it.
I will probbably continue using plain yogurth b/c creams don't work, I can't tolerate boric acid anymore. The only think I haven't treid is douching....
I also went to a pain management clinic yesterday and thought we can start internal PT (biofeedback) but with all this it'll be challenging.
12-04-2007, 06:32 PM
SMR218 - I've recently been told by a Nautropath to use Arden's Powder to douche for seven days. Umm, I'm so uncomfortable doing it and I've read that it causes the bacteria to go back into the the tubes and cause pelvic infection or something. I'm not sure what to do. The plan was to do the douching for seven days followed by Candaclear suppositories for 12 days.
Are you saying that douching once for 7 days caused your VV to start?
12-09-2007, 06:46 AM
You read my mind...I have actually being thinking bout douching with Arden's Poder.
I have done it 1 1/2 years ago or more, for one week, but them I followed by boric acid after 2 weeks, that was the first time I did borinc acid and Arden's powder douche and it actaully worked for me for months, but then I had a UTI and had to be on antibiotics so put me back to chronic yeast....
I was thinking about ordering Ardens Powder online since I no longer go to the naturopath that charges me hundres and hundreds. Of course I'll check with my gyno. Arden's powder has some Boric acid in it, it was soothing. My gyno said something about the chances of something going up to the tubes is very very low. He suggested me to douche with betadine. I ddin't do it for the same reason you had mentioned. So I have tried douching with yogurth instead with the idea or recolonizing the flora, BUT whole thing of putting milk in my vagina hhhmmmm I don't really think it it belongs "there", I can be exposing myself to virus or other stuff that may be in the yogurht, how do I know?. I know yogurth douches wonders for some and good for them.
My conclusion is that the yogurht acts + _ like a mini douche and the pH of the yogurth helps, but I don'e think milk belong in the vagina.
What is the other component your NP is asking you to use after douching my Arden's powder?
12-10-2007, 05:38 AM
Yeah, I thought about yoghurt but I don't know about milk being put in there, I just tried with probiotics with water and stuff.
I'm pretty worried about the douching for 7 days. Didn't you mention that you developed VV after the douching?
Plus, I'm currently on antibiotics....so I still have to ask my Nautropath about it...all so confusing. I have ask my nurse about going off the antibiotics and she's not available....
HLC Candaclear Suppositiories, probiotics....after the Arden's thingy.
My gyno said something about the chances of something going up to the tubes is very very low. He suggested me to douche with betadine. I ddin't do it for the same reason you had mentioned.
Many people discourage it though, so I'm really worried about the safety. My Nautropath said, without the douching, it's going to take me longer to get better....
"The douche allows the healing herbs to access these deeper areas, totally safely. If you do this, you then give yourself the very best chance of effectiveness. Otherwise you rely just on the more limited capacity of the suppositories. This will still work, but will require more work."
"The only problem is for various reasons some women become obsessed with douching & they "dry' out their vagina by "stripping it of the mucousal lining.
Also the douches we use have ingredients that are crucial that are not in the suppositories."
12-10-2007, 03:41 PM
I didn't developed V V after douching for 7 days. That was alooong time ago (Dec 2005) and I didn't have any bad side effects form it on the contrary. I think it helped. But at that time I didn't have V V or burning so it was a diff story.
I developed V V last year after many yeast infections b/c of ab and treatments like Boric acid capsules (many times last 2 years) and countless OTC yeast creams and rx yeast creams and don't know wht else. V V is basically nerve and tissue damage. I just was desperate to get rid of the yeast, I didn't imagine the local treatments would cause damage to the skin. OTC creams don't warn you on that. Doctor don't say anything about that either. Yeast infections are normally taken lightly then when they become chronic most gynos don't know what to do.
I think if you overdo douching then is bad.
I'll ask my gyno as soon as I can get a hold on him, it is just that I work
during the same hrs he works so it is very difficult to reach him.
Some women douch with ampothericin B a potent antifungal that oraly is very toxic. Doctors call it "amphoterrible" it is very expensive and I think the only compunding pharmacy that does it ias douche is Master Compunding in NY. Is about $400 or so (OUCH!)
I posted an article on it a few month ago but dont' think there;s any reply is very interesting.
But arden's powder seem to me like a much economicals and not very agresive way to go. YOu may want to ask your docotr if you can do less days than 7 if you think it is too much. Sometimes you have to go with your intuition too....since we are all diffrenet and respond different to the same treatments. I know people that do great on Boric acid and have no problems with it.
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