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ShePurzz
09-14-2006, 05:40 PM
I wanted to post this again because I am getting lots of PMs asking about sleep -- and I don't know where this was originally posted -- hopefully others will benefit from it and if it works for even ONE more person -- that's wonderful!
Here's to your good sleep:



(Mary, what an awesome post this is. I love your suggestions about how to make enhance sleep and our sleep routine. I realize, in my case, that every night I take a long hot shower and thats one thing that really helps me. But, I just hadn't thought about it as helping until reading your post. Bravo!! Nicely done!! - Jill 08/27/06)

Okay, I have mentioned this to many people in different places, but I think it is worth posting for long-term reading and the benefit of anyone struggling with sleep problems.

When I was in the day program for my anxiety and depression two summers ago, one of the things we learned about was sleep hygiene. That would sound strange to some people, but anyone who has insomnia or just can't sleep through the night - or worse yet -- THINKS they sleep through the night but awake feeling like they were running a marathon all night -- SLEEP is a luxury!

So, here goes -- as best as I can recall and I may even get out my notes if I can't bring enough back to mind to make this a well thought out posting.

FIRST -- If you don't sleep well (i.e. get the REM sleep) your body doesn't get the sleep at the level where your body is rejuvinating and rebuilding your immune system and strengthening you for the next day. The body repairs itself and gets re-energized during this deep sleep. Sleep deprivation is something that can turn your whole LIFE around -- you can be moody, tired, cranky, yes... these things, but you can also be SICK -- just ask anyone with Fibromyalgia (myself included) what it is like to get up after a poor night's sleep vs. getting up after a good deep sleep. The difference is phenominal.

So, now that we have recognized that you need REM sleep, HOW do you get it? This post is just a suggestion for getting it without the use of medications -- I use a sleep medication (elavil which helps not get up and pee in the night) and I know that others will have other meds and their doctor's recommendations, but the things here ANYONE can use and benefit from.

First, you need a routine -- at 10 pm (insert the time you want to go to SLEEP into that spot), I want to go to sleep. Therefore, I have to start PREPARING for sleep before 10 pm. I need to do certain things beginning closer to 9 pm to ensure that my body is being told it is time to shut down for the night. YOU MUST DO THIS EVERY NIGHT until sleep comes easily -- and if it stops coming easily, you must start to follow this protocol again.

At 8 (or 8:30) pm, I stop doing any exercize type activities other than gentle stretching or a nice slow leisurely walk. I don't watch action packed movies or television -- the idea here is to slow the mind down. I don't play computer games or get into long talks on the phone with people who upset me or are argumentative... After 8 pm, I am preparing to head to bed.

You will want to get your bedroom cleaned up (during a day ahead of all of this) so that your bedroom is a place of comfort -- perhaps some candles, no tv or computer or other things to suggest activity here -- the bed is for two things only -- SLEEP and SEX -- not reading, not watching tv. If you are in bed, your brain knows that you are either going to have sex, or you are going to sleep -- no jokes about what's the difference please...

NO AFTERNOON NAPS during this period of time -- sorry -- that sounds cruel, but trust me -- the afternoon naps will return, but for now, they are need to be banned -- they will ruin your sleep hygiene routine -- you may have to go to bed at 7 or 8 for a while, but no naps.

At 8 pm, you are going to sit and read or chat with your family or read to your children or journal or do something you enjoy that is relaxing -- sewing, needlepoint, crocheting etc... You can do this for a while, but know that you are preparing yourself for sleep.

Your bedroom needs to be cool -- so if you have air, a fan, or can open the window a bit, that will be a great time to do that. Be sure you have a nice warm extra blanket to put at your feet so you won't need to get out of bed later to find one -- if you get cool in the night, just pull it up and snuggle closer to your hubby. Wear whatever pjs are the most comfortable for you -- not the sexiest unless it is a sex night... sweats are great in the fall and winter! If you put some candles into your bedroom, you can light them so it will have a nice relaxing fresh smell when you come to bed. I would also light some in the bathroom at this time as well as put a tape or cd on that is very relaxing -- sorry, no rock tonight!

About 1/2 hour before bed, get into a VERY WARM bath -- or take a very warm shower. Have everything ready and in the bathroom before your shower or bath (you will see later that you also need to prepare a chair in the living room -- you can get all of these "pre" things done in the afternoon). Brush your teeth before you shower; cleanse your face and whatnot before if you can't do it in the bath or shower; use a body brush if you really want a great night's sleep and a little extra toxic removal treatment at the same time. The last thing you are going to do before bed is bathe or shower... so have the bedtime meds in the bathroom, and have everything in there with you -- pjs, slippers, robe, etc... whatever you put on after your shower --

Next, take that bath or shower -- 10 - 15 minutes where you are focussing on HOW GOOD THAT WATER FEELS against your skin, your muscles, your whole body is relaxing in the warm bath --- okay --- this isn't corny -- this WORKS!!! READ the post on "BREATHE" -- this is a GREAT time to practice your breathing... (I am going to find BREATE and post it right after this one so I can find that one too - don't know where it went)

When you step out of the shower -- it would really be wonderful if your hubby is willing to warm your pjs and your towel in the dryer and his job is to get them into the bathroom without opening the door or letting any of the steam out -- and to do all of this before you get out of the shower, but not so soon that they are no longer nice and warm... he'll learn... they ARE teachable ... it just takes a while sometimes... be patient... (if you don't have someone to do this, before your bath or shower, put them in the dryer than put them in an insulated cooler/bag beside the tub, then jump in -- at least they will still be a little warm!)

Wrap up in the towel that is comforting and soft. Dry off and if you have a hair wrap, throw it up so your hair will dry quickly. Now is the time to get those meds done, get your last drink, go potty, etc... but the goal is to go from the shower to the warm towel, to the warm pjs to the cool bedroom and into the cool bed!!! ASAP!!! Don't worry about your hair -- tomorrow is a great day to do that!!!

Blow out the candles on the way -- and don't stop to say goodnight or anything -- tell them all goodnight before you get into the shower -- that is part of the "PRE" stuff. Your job is to reteach your body that when it hits the bed, it goes to sleep. Use an eye mask - to keep the light out. If you have a family that is staying up late, use ear plugs. NO LIGHTS in the room -- that means that if you have an alarm clock with a light -- it must face the wall and be out of your reach -- no looking to see what time it is... it is BEDTIME .. because you are in bed.. so go to sleep!

Let's say you have done all of this and you are in bed for about 8.5 minutes and you are thinking about dinner tomorrow night... redirect your thoughts to sleeping and restfullness and try to remind yourself that there is nothing that you can do tonight that can't be done tomorrow -- so you choose to rest your mind... then... if it gets to be ten minutes or so, (here's the important part.. listen up...) GET OUT OF BED, leave your bedroom in your nice warm robe and slippers... go to a chair that has been PREpared for this occasion and turn on a soft light beside that chair -- NO FOOD OR DRINK ALLOWED HERE -- and pick up the reading material that is set there before hand -- the microwave manual -- if you don't have one, have some other extremely boring piece of material there to read -- no books, magazines, etc... we are talking boring manual here...

Sit there with a pillow and blanket that you had set out ahead of time, reading the manual by dim light until you feel a little tired -- then get up and go straight back to the bed... do not pass go and do not pick up $200... straight back to bed!

Get back into bed and do the mask and earplugs if needed and redirect your thoughts to sleeping and things that are relaxing -- do imagery if that works for you -- seeing yourself at a lake or some place that is relaxing to you... if ten minutes goes by and you are not sleeping ---- you guessed it... OUT OF BED, into the boredom chair and back to the same boring manual.... repeat as necessary for the next couple of nights and only stay in the bed if you are asleep within 10 - 15 minutes -- or out to the chair -- no lying on the couch or sleeping in the chair either...

When your brain gets the message -- and it WILL get the message within a few nights, you will find that the routine is what will be the most important element... BEING PREPARED is the key to this working. During the DAY set up these things so that at bedtime you will be PREpared to go to sleep.

If you awaken during the night -- do NOT look at the clock -- remind yourself it is sleep time and that your clock WILL ring when you MUST be up, but right now, you don't need to be up, nor do you need to know what time it is... (telling the rest of us what time you were up last night is not nearly as lovely as telling us that you slept through the entire night without checking the clock even one time!)

Continue this routine and within a couple of weeks (much less for me!!!) you will be amazed that your mind and your body are going to learn that you mean business when you say it is bedtime! When you prepare all of these things ahead of time -- you are telling yourself that this is an important thing to you and that you value your sleep -- let your husband and your children know that you NEED this time to yourself -- and GIVE IT TO YOURSELF -- you will be a lot less difficult to deal with on a full night sleep, and you watch, they will start ushering you to bed early if you start responding with more patience because you have the 'physical ability and the restedness' to do so. If you have a bad day, don't be surprised when the kids offer to clean the kitchen so you can go start your bed routine early!!!

Hee Hee --- think of it... don't kids go to sleep a LOT easier when you give them a regular bedtime routine -- and don't they drive you crazy when they are tired? Hey, you are human and you need sleep too!!! So, hopefully this is something that every person who comes here will read and benefit from ... it was certainly one of the best pieces of information that I took away from my three weeks in day therapy for anxiety and stress management.

I would LOVE to hear from anyone who tries it to see if you get good results -- and HOW LONG it took to start seeing a difference.

I am not suggesting that anyone NOT take their sleep medications -- I am just saying that these suggestions do not include sleep medications -- just natural ways to cause your mind and body to learn to relax. DR. ? is the one that decides if YOU need sleep medications - but don't be surprised if in no time you are not needing them or if you are sleeping 8-10 hours a night without waking up!!! I can now generally sleep at least 8 - 10 hours without getting up to pee, to just toss and turn etc... and when that stops happening, I just need to implement this technique again for a few nights and wammo -- sleep returns --

Sleep, blessed sleep --- I wish it upon all who come this way!!

REST WELL.

Other suggested things to consider:

Bellaruth Naparstek's positive imagery CD's or Tapes and you can use a speaker under your pillow -- use a recorder that shuts off by itself -- and if it doesn't tuff! It can wait 'til morning --- you will slip into sleep and get wonderful positive messages at the same time...

Trade your hubby for backrubs -- ask for yours just before you retire -- and offer his after he gets home from work -- you don't want to miss sleep if you can help it, so if he comes to bed after you, ask him to please have all of his stuff ready in the bathroom or bedroom and to use a very low light lamp when he comes in. With earplugs and a sleep mask, I don't even hear my husband getting up for work -- but if he talks to me -- I can still hear his voice -- so, don't fear that you won't hear your kids, or your smoke alarm -- get the soft, low decible ones (available at WalMart in the pharmacy or hunting area -- they make a very soft purple or orange one that I love because I can hear my kids when they come in and talk to me, but it is muffled enough that I can sleep through it if I want to.)

I would be happy to share more of this with anyone interested!!!

Good night, Sleep tight, Don't let the bed bugs bite!

Mary

ShePurzz
09-14-2006, 05:51 PM
Here is the breathing post -- I hope it also will be easier to find now that they are together, since the one mentions the other.

Hope this encourages and helps many people!
Mary


This is an awesome response ShePurzz... with very wise, supportive and encouraging advice. Nicely, nicely said! - Jill

Hello Redfern --- I am so very sorry about your situation -- and I understand that feeling of totally panicking, but I am going to suggest something that will probably be more helpful to you right now -- STOP, SIT DOWN and BREATHE.

Do the deep breathing -- forcing yourself to focus on your breathing and nothing else -- just breathe -- feel the air going in and going out. Focus on breathing more purposefully and slowly and deeper breaths. Try doing this at least hourly for the next day or so during your awake hours.

Two things happen -- first, you will slow your heart rate and bring about a deep relaxation.

Second, you will cause the blood to circulate more fully and completely and this will help to rebuild your immune system, but also helps to get your blood oxygenated. This can help you to feel better in the midst of all of this.

BREATHING sounds like a simple thing, but it takes FOCUSSED PURPOSEFUL THINKING to do it deeply and fully.

I wish to pray for you as well -- but please, you want to be in your best condition and best personal well being to deal with this without going hysterical or even acting like you are going to go off the deep end -- breathing can help you focus and think more clearly... Please, I hope you will try this and see if it will help you to think better and to help you stay focussed on the things that you need to do and the order in which you need to do them -- try not to panic -- just try to write things down and keep track of the activities and contacts you have with him.. that will all be helpful later on.

(prayer omitted for the repost)


God Bless you!
Mary

curlycue
09-14-2006, 06:21 PM
WOW I have not been able to sleep since I was 18 I am now 36? do you think there is hope?
Finally I asked the dr if he would put me on Ambien and I have been on it since 2/2006.

ShePurzz
09-14-2006, 06:38 PM
WOW I have not been able to sleep since I was 18 I am now 36? do you think there is hope?
Finally I asked the dr if he would put me on Ambien and I have been on it since 2/2006.


Curlycue, of course there is hope for you!!! I hope especially that you will try these things and that in time you will be sleeping without the aid of any medication! That would be awesome.

This really works -- it has been implemented by the group where I did my recovery for anxiety and panic attacks -- it didn't stop my anxiety or panic attacks, meds and other behavioral things has helped that, but it certainly increased my ABILITY to deal with these other issues.

SLEEP deprivation is really a life-sucker -- think about all your body has to do in a day -- without sleep, how is it possible to manage to get through a day, much less weeks, months and years without it? The first few nights that I did this, I thought it was a lot of work to get ready for bed -- and trust me -- I did have to read the manual a few times myself! But, within a week, I was honestly ACCUTELY aware that I was sleeping better. It took some work on my part, but the pay off has been immeasurable -- what would you pay for a good night's sleep??? :woohoo:

If you have been on medication for a long time, do you have the option to not take it on nights that you don't feel that you need to, or is it something that requires reducing the doseage slowly? I wonder, if it is something you can take or miss and use PRN if you could practice the routine for a week or so, then try not using the medication and see how you sleep!?!

I would be interested in knowing if it works... keep me posted if you do decide you want to try it... but be sure it is something you don't have to take or you could have the rebounds which would be worse!!!

Sleep tight!
Mary:pray:

curlycue
09-15-2006, 12:08 PM
Mary,
At this moment I have a couple of things that I need to take care of. I hope that mabey in October I could start. Whish me good luck.

lavendermoon
09-22-2006, 05:39 AM
thank you for the great sleep hygiene...I can't wait to try it! I too suffer from anxiety and panic(11yrs) I haven't been on meds for close to 2 yrs for that but know that I'm in my first "Official" flare for 6 days now with gradually less pain(and realize what it is)I am an absolute basket case!!!!! Right now I am not on any meds-and I NEED something for the anxiety -have enough experience to know when the line has been reached-it is killing me...I really want the least invasive/addictive/surprise filled one....one that could address anxiety (a little depression wouldn't hurt)and burn....I could get something from a GP if I knew what to ask for! I am leaning toward Elavil...but the weight gain issue -I have been working so hard on this...I have previously been on paxil but that is #@!! to withdraw off, I also have some ativan for emergencies....can anyone help with suggestions...?:confused:

ShePurzz
09-22-2006, 07:57 AM
thank you for the great sleep hygiene...I can't wait to try it! .can anyone help with suggestions...?:confused:
Hi Lavendar -- what a relaxing name!

I sure can't help with any suggestions because it will depend on your doctor and what other things you are taking -- I was on Klonopin and Xanax, but would NOT suggest it to anyone else because the withdrawal from the Klonopin has been unbelievably hard -- I still have a ways to go!

I do know others who have used Effexor, with good results, however, I don't know if they have problems with the IC taking it. I would suggest that you do as much of the non-medical stuff that you can do to help reduce the 'external' stressors -- declutter your house, get good sleep (try the sleep hygiene and really keep it up until it works continually) and the deep breathing post below it comes from some CDs I use -- try getting a few of Bellaruth Naperstaks CD's for relaxation and wellness -- she has some on anxiety and sleep -- they are wonderful - in fact, I just completed on on stress and general wellness because I was feeling a little keyed up about something that I needed to get off my mind... it worked for me and I am very glad I took the 20 minutes to 'breath and relax' my body.

I hope you will also do some things to help you relax (whether you use yoga, exercise, gentle stretching, CDs, deep breathing, sauna, massage, etc.. ) the things that help you rest best.

Take care, and feel good!
Mary

melanie626
09-26-2006, 04:21 PM
What a lovely post, some of it won't work in reality of life for me (and I take ambien) but the consistency and keeping the bedroom for sleep etc is good.

readingmom
09-26-2006, 05:22 PM
Just reading this post made me sleepy! I get up sometimes six-eight times in the night! No wonder I'm cranky during the day and have migraines. I want to try this very much, but I have one tiny problem. I have two dogs that usually sleep with me, but recently we moved and I have tried putting them in their kennels because I felt like they were contributing to my sleep problems. Sure enough, I started sleeping better without them hogging the bed!! Well,now my little chihuahua(she's SO precious) is whining and crying after about an hour after I get to sleep. I have let her "cry it out" but she's then waking me up again after another hour. I feel like I've got another child in the house!! Does anyone have any suggestions as to what to do? Maybe I should ask this question somewhere else, I don't know!! :help:

ShePurzz
09-26-2006, 05:57 PM
No, I think it is a great place to ask it -- it is affecting your sleep and that is what this thread was about.

I applaud you for moving them out of your bed -- I know some people think that is fine -- but personally, I think it is disturbing as well. I think that the idea of letting them cry through the night is the fastest way to break the habit -- they are used to sleeping with you and it is going to be hard and take some time for them to get into new habits... I would strongly urge you to stay strong -- and be CONSISTENT -- in the sleep hygiene, you will notice that it is all about consistency - and in the dogs it is the same -- if you let them sleep with you even ONE night out of being a softy or just loving to have them cuddle, etc.. you are going to give them the idea that if they cry enough, you will give in.

I would also say that in the beginning, it would be reasonable to go out to them when they are quiet, and praise them for being quiet -- maybe even a small doggie treat when you 'catch them being good' -- and when they are really crying and upset, perhaps after a fifteen or twenty minute period, go out, assure the little guy/gal that they are okay, and give a little rubbing -- but I wouldn't open the cage or give any indication that they are coming out. Just assure them they are fine and give a little affection and then leave. Again, I think if you wait fifteen or twenty minutes and they are quiet, it would be appropriate to give another praise -- and hopefully they will see that they get the attention when they are good -- but at first, I think it is really important to adjust them to being alone -- it has to feel like they did something wrong -- so just assuring them they are okay and that you are not mad or upset with them may be a good way to ease them into the new bed routine.

Perhaps find a little routine that works for them too -- like playing and tummy rubs and then some quiet time before you say "bed time" and offer a small treat for going into the cage without any fussing. Associate the cage with something positive (having just had your full fledged attention) and then a treat.

I don't know if that is helpful or not -- I have only raised dogs that are crate trained from the beginning and THEN got to move into my room, but sleeps on his own bed -- I have never let any animals sleep in my bed or on my furniture... just me.

But, again, good for you for recognizing that YOU need better sleep and for doing something about it -- you are absolutely right -- we are different people when we get adequate sleep -- isn't if amazing how an entire day is painfully slow and difficult when we don't have a good nights sleep the night before -- and when we sleep good - we wake up and feel like we can accomplish so much more!

I hope you do get to try the things I put up there -- they really do help!

Hugs and to your good health and sleep!!!
Mary

readingmom
09-27-2006, 05:22 AM
Oh my goodness!! I talked to a friend right before bed last night and she suggested I put them in their crate and turn off the light and just go to bed!! I can't believe this, but it worked. They didn't make a peep all night(at least I don't think they did!) Usually by 6:00a.m. they are whining for sure, but I didn't get them out of their crate until 8:30!!! It's a miracle!!! They really had the wool pulled over my eyes. Thanks again!!

ShePurzz
09-27-2006, 05:27 AM
Oh my goodness!! ...but I didn't get them out of their crate until 8:30!!! It's a miracle!!! They really had the wool pulled over my eyes. Thanks again!!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:
Another one gets her sleep!!!!!

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

asn
10-02-2006, 12:29 PM
This post of sleep Hygiene has come in its best time. I been dealing with unexplained depression, I feel better today. But yesterday I could not stop crying, don't know why!!!! And at night, I just slept for at the most 4 hrs.
I will ty this, maybe I can do it!!!!!!!!!
My problem is that I can be very very tired. But just putting my head in the bed, makes me starty thinking of everything. what I have to do at work, etc, etc. I have a scratchbook in my bed table, and when my head starts killing me, I write everything down, but it has helped me very little

melanie626
10-02-2006, 01:28 PM
ASN-
I hope the sleep hygeine helps, but seek care if your depressive sx continue. We may feel "upbeat or not depressed" but those sytmptoms are signs of depression and our neurotransmitters sometimes need some help. Please seek care if it continues or worsens.

Sleep well-
Melanie

asn
10-02-2006, 05:35 PM
thank you. It is hard to accept that I can't not do it by myself!
I've prayed so much yesterday, and I'm trying to do it by myself. I hope I can...

vm
10-02-2006, 06:15 PM
It is hard to get over that wall of asking for help with depression - but please don't deny yourself the help you need. :( It's no failing or weakness to ask for help when we need it - it's a STRENGTH. You wouldn't deny a friend help, right? Give yourself that gift, too. :kissing:

ICNDonna
10-03-2006, 04:04 AM
If you're feeling symptoms of depression, I urge you to see your doctor. Depression is a physical condition and needs treatment. And please let us know how you are doing.

Warm healing thoughts,
Donna

asn
10-03-2006, 07:19 AM
thanks everyone!!!!!
I will start looking for a therapist. I'll let you know how I'm doing.
This is the best place I have found so far to talk and vent.
People hate when you start talking about your bladder (they can't imagine how do we feel when we have tthe urge to go every few minutes) , here you can talk about that and many many more things.
what a great place!!!!

vm
10-03-2006, 09:17 AM
It is a great place, huh? :) Please keep us posted on how things go for you, OK? :kissing: