Diflucan Question

[HHR]

Can a person actually become immune to it? Also, I heard that sometimes taking Diflucan you can actually give yourself an infection if one wasn't there in the first place! I hope this person was wrong!!:hmm:

[vm]

I have heard that some types of yeast may become resistant to Diflucan.

I've never heard that you can get an infection from it, though. Were they saying you could get a YEAST infection from it? Doesn't seem possible.

[HHR]

Yes, actually I was told that if you take Diflucan twice in a short time period, you could give yourself an infection if one was not there. Something to the extent of too much of the diflucan can almost kill your good flora or strip it...
something like that.
I'm not believing her. This is coming from a nurse or nurse's aid in my OBGYN's. :loco:
I'm not taking advice from anyone but a doctor!

[ICNDonna]

I think I would ask the doctor the question --- and let him/her know what you were told by a staff member.

Donna

[grace 2]

I was at my yearly exam at the gyn last week. She was considering putting me on Diflucan 1 a day for 2 weeks. After looking under a microscope and not seeing yeast, she decided not to. She said with my "delicate balance" she'd hesitate to put me on that much anyway as it could cause a cycle of bacterial infection then back to yeast. I'm pretty sure that would be due to killing the good bacteria with the bad. It would be very benificial to take probiotics with the Diflucan in hopes of avoiding that. Hope that helps! Grace

[sami4]

One of the reasons yeast infections dont clear up on Diflucan is the type of Candida causing the vaginitis is not candida albicans but one of its 10 relatives. The second most common cause of vaginitis is candida glabrata which has been found in urine, vagina and is resisitant to Diflucan and needs to be treated with either a flucytosine such as Ancobon or Fungizone or Amphocin.
Most Gynos are only fixated on Albicans, which is why I always suggest to find a person who has experience treating reoccuring yeast and will test for the exact type.
Sammie

[sami4]

The reason yeast wasnt found during a pelvic for a pap smear is because you didnt either have one or they didnt take a wet prep to check. Pap test does not test for yeast. Unless the infection was so bad you could see it visually without a wet prep yeast would not be noticed. Yeast infections also wax and wane, they are usually not a constant.
Sammie

[grace 2]

Sami, She did do a wet prep and looked under the microscope while I was there and didn't see anything. I do know from a microbiology that I have systemic yeast. A blood test showed antibodies to yeast also:( Went to the dr. I had the tests done with today and he is putting me on nystatin for at least a month. I just don't do well on Diflucan. Really hope this helps! Also trying to find something for inflamation for IBS that doesn't flare my IC. Any suggestions anyone? Thanks, Grace

[sami4]

Nystatin was an excellent choice as it will kill intestinal yeast as well. The length of time may or may not be enough. Sometimes it takes 3-6 months before it is all eradicated.
Katrina has suffered from IBS for many years you might ask her what she has found helps.
Typical anti inflammatories would be: CO-Q 10, Fish Oil, Bromalin, MSM, Wobenzyme enzyme therapy, statin drugs, a good mineral supplement and buffered vitamin C. There are also many herbs such as Marshmallow and others that I am sure Katrina would share with you. Either write her a private message or maybe she will see this and reply as she is on line every day.
Sammie

[grace 2]

Thanks Sami! :)

[Katrina]

lol Sammie....ok I am here :)
So far in my experience with IBS the best alternative is a strong probiotic!
Out of the two quotes I am giving I have more failth in the first one for being IC friendly.

Treating the symptoms of IC comes in Pain relief, antispasmodic, or general inflammation
• Catnip (pain, sleep)
• L- Arginine (pain, frequency or immune function)
• Cornsilk (pain, burning and inflammation, beware of diuretics & possibly increasing frequency)
• Marshmallow root (anti inflammatory and relieves irritation, calming, soothing)
• Licorice Root (anti inflammatory, calming, can take away bodies potassium…be careful!)
• Motherwort (antispasmodic,
• Kava Kava (antispasmodic, sleep)
• Vitamin E (soothing)
• Mullein (soothing, healing)
• Dandelion (antispasmodic, big caution Contains high levels of Potassium)
• Fish oil (inflammation)
• Fennel Tea (Soothing, Healing, appetite stimulant!)
• Slippery Elm (soothing, don’t take near Elmiron)
• Chamomile (sleep, relax, anti inflammatory)
• Quercetin (anti inflammatory, may reduce the effectiveness of some forms of estrogen)


B vitamins are not normally IC friendly. In my own experience Vallerian root I needed a beano to take....maybe with my new probiotic I could give it another try but who knows.

L-Glutamine is a major metabolic fuel for the intestinal cells.

Vitamin B Complex is needed for proper muscle tone in the gastrointestinal tract.

Acidophilus replenishes the “friendly” bacteria.

Colostrum heals intestinal lining and aids nutrient absorption.

Fiber has both a healing and cleansing effect.

Free-Form Amino Acid Complex is necessary for repair of mucous membranes of the intestines.

Alfalfa contains vitamin K, which is needed to build intestinal flora for proper digestion.

Peppermint aids in healing and digestion.

Skullcap and Valerian Root are helpful for the nerves that regulate intestinal muscle function.
http://www.remedyfind.com/hc-IBS-Constipation.asp
http://www.remedyfind.com/hc-IBS-Diarrhea.asp

Laxatives: Basil

[Katrina]

It took me so many tries to post that I am sure I made some new gray hairs. ((hugs))

[grace 2]

Katrina, Sorry about the hair:) Thanks for the pm and the help, I did pm you back, Grace

[grace 2]

Katrina , have you ever tried basil for a laxitive, or know of anyone who got help with it??

[sami4]

I have used Senna for a laxative and had good results. I took the capsule but it also comes in a tea.
Sammie

[grace 2]

Thanks Sami, I am using cacara sagrada in a capsule right now, but am afraid I'll become dependent on it & want to try something else. Today has been a very good bladder/vulva day for me!! Maybe the nystatin is helping. Grace

[sami4]

Grace:
Then why dont you try a bulking or fiber product? They have plain old psyllium seed without any dyes or sweetners as well as other bulking fiber products?
Sammie

[grace 2]

I used to use psyllium all the time. I don't know if I became allergic to it or what, but now it bloats me. I haven't tried any other kind though.

[sami4]

Almost any fiber will bloat and cause gas when you first use it. Most people will become adjusted to it, but some especially if they have IB may not.
There are other fiber bulks that are friendly to IB, I am thinking of Dr. Sandra Cabots Fibertone. It is very effective, but gentle.
Sammie

[Katrina]

I agree with Sammie....when taking fiber you need to start slowly!!!!!! Otherwise gas is sure to come. I have that problem with fiber. :grouphug:

[javone77]

Hi everyone. I thought I had a yeast infection....still not sure. there is so much it can be...I take hormones...that could be it. However, my question is how do doctors test for the exact form of yeast. I can safely say that after all this IC stuff I REALLY don't want to hear the phrase "undress from the waist down...." but I know I will :)

[sami4]

The average docs office will take a wet prep, look under a microscope, see the typical hyphae of budding yeast cells treat it for candida albicans and most of the time that works.
Docs who specialize in chronic yeast problems will also take wet preps, skin and vaginal wall scrapings, serum tests, several cultures some lasting as long as three or four weeks, stool examinations and so on. Yeast can invade tissues and not be visable by inspection, but will show up with special stains of tissue. There are many families of yeasts but the two that cause most of the vaginal problems are either albicans or candida glabrata. They will also do tests for mycoplasm and ureoplasm which mimic yeast or UTI infections.
Some yeasts can get into the urinary tract (usually albicans and actually form yeast balls consisting of yeast, hyphids, epithelial and inflammatory cells.
These are usually found in the bladder by either cystoscopy or ultrasound.
Anyone having chronic, repeated yeast infections that have spread to throat, milk ducts, and other body parts should see a yeast specialist and have a check for type of yeast and what its sensitive to. Catheters are also often the portal of entry into the bladder for yeasts.
I can say that every single time I have had a bad urethral flare, the doctor has always found yeast.
The treatment is longer medication time with the correct anti fungal. Sometimes they use Nystatin for intestinal tract killing and then a change to another medication for longer term treatment. Nystatin has one of the longest track records and is considered to be the least side effects.
Sammie

[javone77]

well I am lucky that I have not had any urethral burning. just vaginal burning and usually in the mornings or when I have not had enough water that day. The main thing is that I have a discharge...doesn't smell or anything....just a larger than usual discharge. this comes after a missed cycle and after being placed on progestrin (sp?) for a hormone imbalance. It can be any of these things causing the discharge. the one I know hasn't worked is diflucan. so I guess I better go get a wet prep. I've had that done before but the rest of that stuff I had never heard of. this is my first yeast infection.

[sami4]

First yeast infection? I hope to God it will be your last. Yeast can be a stubborn little devil to get down and keep down!
Sammie