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tigger_gal
10-16-2005, 03:31 AM
Hundreds May Have Used Botox Knockoff
Saturday, October 15, 2005 8:46 PM EDT
The Associated Press
By DAVID ROYSE

Plastic surgeon Frederic Corbin was intrigued last year when he saw an ad for a product that offered the same protein used in the wildly popular wrinkle treatment Botox — only much, much, cheaper.

"My initial reaction was, 'Hmm, Botox now has some competition,'" recalled Corbin, who practices in Beverly Hills, Calif.

But when he received a vial of the botulinum toxin in the mail, he was puzzled by the warning: "For Research Purposes Only. Not for Human Use."

He says he returned it and more or less forgot about it until he heard about four people last December whose mysterious paralysis was linked to the use of a Botox knockoff.

Authorities have found that dozens of doctors around the country bought unapproved botulinum, which in its raw form is one of the most potent neurotoxins on Earth. And investigative documents indicate that more than 1,000 people may have been injected with it, many unaware they weren't given federally approved Botox.

The company accused of selling the unapproved toxin and marketing it as a Botox substitute goes on trial next month in federal court in Fort Lauderdale, Fla.

"We don't know how dangerous it is, it's not as well controlled as the commercially available product," said Dr. Thomas Rohrer, a Boston dermatologic surgeon who has written extensively about botulinum, which he describes as more powerful than cyanide.

Tucson, Ariz.-based Toxin Research International and owners Chad Livdahl and Zarah Karim, who are jailed awaiting the trial, are accused of defrauding people who thought they were getting a safe, approved Botox treatment.

No one is known to have been hurt by TRI's toxin; the four paralyzed people were injected with a toxin bought straight from the manufacturer that supplied TRI, not from the company itself.

Eric and Bonnie Kaplan were allegedly injected by Dr. Bach McComb, who also injected himself and his girlfriend, Alma Hall. Federal prosecutors say McComb worked as a consultant for TRI.

Lawyers in the case say McComb injected himself and the others with the wrong dose. They have all partially recovered.

But last December, when McComb, Hall and the Kaplans lay paralyzed on ventilators and unable to swallow or see, investigators searching the clinic where McComb worked found marketing materials from TRI.

Although TRI hasn't been directly linked to the paralysis case, authorities say the Arizona company told other doctors its product was safe and on its way to being approved for people.

According to case documents, at least 180 doctors — plastic surgeons, dermatologists, naturopaths — ordered Botulinum Toxin Type A from TRI. A five-dose vial would cost $1,250, compared to about $2,000 for Botox.

TRI's lawyer Ben England said "we disagree" that TRI was acting fraudulently, and declined to elaborate.

Most doctors who bought the toxin haven't been publicly named, and officials say many patients don't know they got the unapproved toxin.

In Salem, Ore., Dr. Jerome Lentini is one the few who has been criminally charged, accused of injecting a TRI toxin into hundreds of patients, many of whom signed a consent form that implied they were getting FDA-approved Botox.

All charges against TRI involve misleading patients.

Some doctors and clinics say that's because the toxin is basically the same as what's used to make Botox.

The unapproved material "is a naturally occurring neurotoxin that ... appears to be identical," said Scott Hopes, an epidemiologist who also represents a north Florida surgery center where a doctor's license was suspended for buying the unapproved toxin.

Dr. Dale Abadir of New York City said she used it on herself and her husband. "I was interested in getting it and seeing if it worked," she said. "From what I could see it seemed to work as well as" Botox.

"Those people should think themselves very lucky," countered Dr. John Agwunobi, a U.S. Department of Health and Human Services official and former Florida health secretary.

Agwunobi and others said just because no one was injured yet, doesn't mean it won't happen in the future.

"The physicians who are buying it are just plain stupid," said Dr. Sue Ellen Cox, a dermatologic surgeon in Chapel Hill, N.C. "You could be injecting God knows what."

Lori Campbell
11-02-2005, 09:14 PM
Thank you tigger gal ,
Now things are starting to make sense . It is strange because we did take the doctors' letter to a lawyer , because I was crying did not no why this was happening to me and my husband was so mad , so to get my medical records sent we ask the lawyer to write a letter for us and he advise us the doctor does not have to give you any reason to dimiss you from thier practise . Just like when patients change doctors , they really do not tell the doctor why . But the bad thing is when I finally got my records it said My husband and I , showed up at the doctors office demanding narcotics , and the date of this occuranse was the same date we where in Mt Union , Pa., 4 hrs. from here at a viewing of my mother inlaw sister who just died on 9/16/04 . I would like to talk to you further on this matter , because when I changed urologist he did a video urinedynamics test , which I could not finish because I was in such bad pain . This put me in another bad flare up , and between 4/05 and 5/05 I was in the hospital about 4 times . I kept calling my new specialist but his nurse kept telling me I have other medical issues that have to be address and he would not treat my I.C. until all other issues got resolved . The odd thing here was the Pain Management Office he sent me to put me on methadone , which again I did not understand and half way threw my month supply my I.R. bowel Syn. , got so bad and made my I. C. worse , I try to give the methadone back and ask them to change it for something else but they would not . Instead they gave me nortriptyline , which I told them nevere relieves my symtoms but they said that was all they would do for me . Again my husband was mad and I was crying . So I found a new doctor to do my pain managment and I saw my specialst again in 7/05 and asked him to do a hydrodistention and see what my bladder looks like since the bad reaction to the botox . Well I waited for a month for him to call my new Pain management doctor and since I never got a return call from my 2 calls to the doctor I relize it is time to look for another specialist . Now I will see the new specialist 11/22/05 , I'm not doing great but I can hang in there . My phone # is, 215-428-3862 . If this is a toll call for you , just email me your # , if you can talk to me . I do run a support group for I.C. , for the Phila. , Bucks , and Doylestown area with a woman , Linda who use to run the Doylestown support group , till it got to much for her .
Thanks again for your information , you have made me feel so much better that now I can believe in my self again that it is not that I am a bad person just that bad stuff happens and when we help each other we gain strength and knowledge , which helps us to be better at coping with chronic illness and pain ,
Lori

Lori Campbell
11-02-2005, 09:20 PM
Has any one else had a bad reaction to a botox treatment to thier bladder and pelvic floor muscles or could not get threw the video urine dynamics test because of bad pain ?

ICNDonna
11-03-2005, 05:38 AM
I recall hearing about this on the news. If any of you are concerned, my suggestion would be to discuss those concerns with your physician.

Donna

Lori Campbell
11-03-2005, 10:04 PM
ICDonna ,
Yes, I will , when I see my new urologist , on 11/22/05 , and thank you for your suggestion .

tigger_gal
11-04-2005, 03:21 AM
oh yes please discuss this with your doctor.. The only reason I have that artical, is because it popped up on msn home page when I went on line, and thought it may be useful to someone on here.. I don't know anything about botox, except it deadens nerves around the bladder. I know there is a great lady on here that has botox with good results....