View Full Version : Can someone help me understand the no child left behind law?? PLZ!!!
04-24-2005, 07:52 AM
Can someone explain in plain english to me what does the no child left behind act stand for?
here is the problem Brandon my oldest started school at 3 and half years old because his birthday fell in July it made him where he could go to the four year old problem in public school. He fail frist grade we signed to hold him back because he was on age level not grade level. Now he is in 6th grade age 12 he is failing a few subjects i got a letter from the school that says they are going to retain him plus he will have to go to summer school. Which i feel is unfair if there going to hold him back (i can understand that because he is failing the reason he is failing is because of all his health problems this year he has missed a lot of days. from having to go to the dr. and the e.r. does somewhere in the no child left behind act does it protect him somehow. I thought it ment if your child was having problem in school they would be tested for a special program and get the ex. help they needed. I also thought this was the reason that summer school was manotary (sp?) I thought that summer school was to help them pass the subjects they fell threw the year so they could be passed on up to the next grade. Am i wrong?
I'm not going to make him suffer threw summer school then be held back that is unfair. I want to fight this.
do i have a leg to stand on??
i have tried my dangest to stay in touch with his teacher to let them know what has went on with him every time he is out he has had a dr. slip. they know he has had a hard time with his health issue this year. Which i understand if he can't do the sixth grade work he can't do the seveth grade work.
everything has changed so much since i was in school the work is so much harder and i don't understand it enough to help him. I have tried and tried to understand it.
we don't have the money to hire someone for ex. help either :(
Can some of your teacher out there help me understand this?? I'm trying to hold off all surgery for brandon until summer so he doesn't have to miss any more school. If he has surgery threw the summer there is no way he can go to summer school. :rolleyes:
we have to get brandon out of school early tomorrow to drive to greenville children hosp for more test tomorrow i have tried and tried to make them make his appts. after school but for some reason it never works out that way.
he will have to be gotten out of school tomorrow at 12:00 because it will take at least an hour and half to get there to the children hosp. this test there doing tomorrow our local hosp. said there is no way they would do it on a child without him being in the O.R so that "JERK" of a doctor made the appt. at the children hosp. in another town. which i feel if one hosp says no not unless he is in the o.r that is wrong and i'm scared for my son too.
poor boy has been threw so much. and i'm not smart enough to help him catch up in school. dang what a mess. I really don't feel its right to make him go to summer school mess his summer up if there going to hold him back a grade. I refuse to sign any papers to hold him back too. if he has to go to summer school when he was in the first grade i had to sign paper to hold him back. his self es. is already low from having all these problem down stairs. if they hold him back his sister will be in the same grade with him next year.
Im so unset and really need to understand this. i have already look therw many website to see a bunch of legal talk i don't understand.
Please i need advice from someone who understand this law. in plain english.
Thanks to who ever trys to help me with this.
04-24-2005, 08:03 AM
I don't understand the law, but I remember when I was failing 7th grade my mom got me a tutor at home after school and it worked.
Just a thought
04-24-2005, 08:08 AM
thanks but the problem is we can't afford a tutor :(
04-24-2005, 10:48 AM
Even though it's a law, it's up to each individual school to make sure this law is reinforced.
That being said, I would assume they are acting in the best interest of Brandon. It sounds like his school is abiding by the law. Ours around here sure aren't. There are kids in highschool who aren't on the reading levels for their age.
So the law is to try to keep this from happening.
About tutors. My sister takes my nephew to Sylvan Learning Center to be tutored in math. It is $30.00 per hour and it's a minimum of 2 hours per week. I mean, this place has financing available.
Anyway..............tutors are available in every school system here. It's pretty much a rotating shift of teachers already in the school. And it's after school and free!!! I would check into your school system and see what's available.
Brandon deserves to get the best education possible. If it takes a summer school and being held back........then it might benefit him as he gets older. (I'm just assuming here, since I don't know him personally.) I once had to take summer school for a economic class.....my health problems made me fail as well.
I hope it all works out whatever you decide...........hugs to Brandon........ :grouphug:
04-24-2005, 11:13 AM
I understand your Mother's Heart, but I do want you to remember something when you are trying to decide what to do for Brandon. He deserves the best start he can get in life. An education is so very important. One day, he will want to get a job and have his own life. For him to get the best job possible, he has to have an education. If that means that he has to go to Summer School and repeat 6th grade next year, so be it. As his parent, it is your job to make sure he has the best chance possible for his future. No matter what you decide, he will become an adult. Wouldn't it be better for him, in the long run, to make sure he is prepared for his future?
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I don't know about this current law either but I had problems with one of my kids too. When he was in early elementary I know we paid for private tutoring in addtion to summer school. I can't remember if he was held back or not because he had a late birthday anyway. I think we did a lot of tutoring so we wouldn't have to hold him back.
I do agree though if it takes summer school plus being held back, that is what I would do.
I know here in TX there is a TAKS test and if the kids don't pass it at various grade levels they are held back I heard. I know they have to pass them to graduate. I went through a similar test in IA for our kids. In their Jr. year in High school they took a math and reading proficiency test. If they didn't pass it then they had to take extra classes and bottom line, they had to pass it to graduate.
I know it is hard to deal with; but you are going to have to work with the school to find the best solution to help your son.
Sounds like you need more specific information. I couldn't tell from your post if the school is wanting to hold Brandon back due to...
1. attendance (not attending enough full days)
2. poor grades (not completing work assigned, low quality work, low effort)
3. not working at grade level- reading, writing, doing math below grade level as seen on classroom tests
That is the first and most important thing to find out. I don't know in your state if the school can just "recommend" holding him back & the parent actually makes the decision OR if the school makes the decision period. You should be able to know why this recommendation is being made and who makes the final decision.
I taught 5th & 6th grades for 10 years. Where I worked, if a child is to be held back, a plan must be made in November, stating that he/she is at risk of retention (being held back) for the coming year, why he/she may fail the grade, and what parents, child & teacher must do to try to prevent that. Holding a child back as old as your son is, is a very serious step and should not come as a surprise to anyone...
Has anything been said about holding Brandon back before this? Let me know what you find out, okay?
I found this and am looking through it, maybe it can help.
04-24-2005, 03:07 PM
I work as a school nurse in NY state. Our protocol (in my school district) is as follows...
1. If a child is going to be retained they need not attend summer school.
2. If a child has failed two major subjects they must attend summer school or can
3. If a child fails additional major subjects (besides the first two), they must go to
summer school for the first two subjects and tutored for the other subjects
failed-- but no more than 2 in summer school and 2 tutored at home.
4. If a child does not pass in summer school or the subjects he has been
tutored in -- he may be retained.
5. If a child passes the subjects he will be promoted to the next grade.
6. A child cannot spend more than two years in any one grade.
7. A parent can request that the child be promoted -- the school may or
may not comply.
8. If a child is going to miss 10 consecutive school days, he can get home
teaching -- a teacher is provided by the school district and provides 2
hours of home instruction per day to the student for each day he is out
of school. A doctor's note is required for this. There is NO charge to the
student or his family. There is no limit on how long the home teaching can
continue. As long as the child is out of school due to illness or injury, and
a doctor verifies that the child cannot go to school, home teaching should
be provided. We have some children who have been home taught for the
entire school year.
I hope this info is helpful. If I can help in any other way, pm me. I can ask your questions to our school guidance counselors and relay the messages back to you. I'm just not sure if all states follow the same rules.
04-24-2005, 04:25 PM
Thanks to all replys :grouphug: Jeanne you answered my question.
The letter said they was going to make him go to summer school and hold him back in the 6th grade due to low test grades this year. The reason for low test grades however is due to his health ashma and the kidney problems he has been having.
he has had a doctor note for each day missed. Even the doctor office has faxed notes to the school making them give him permission to use the rest room as needed. They have this in his records. They wasn't let him use the rest room when needed causing him to hold it and more pain. then which made him have to call home for one of us to go get him or i would have to call my husband at work to get him. I don't keep the car much nor drive much.
That is what i was wondering if they held him back should he have to go to summer school also. I didn't feel that would be right.
when they held him back in first grade i had to sign papers. I WILL NOT SIGN THOSE PAPERS AGAIN IF HE HAS TO GO TO SUMMER SCHOOL.
I feel if he goes to summer school and passes these leason he shouldn't be held back.
if he fails them then i understand him being held back.
Please check into it for me Jeanne I know your in a diff. state we are in south carolina, but still i wonder what will be said.
Thanks a bunch
It is a tough age to have to hold him back at and I hope if he works hard and can catch up over the summer they will allow him to move up with his class.
Rhonda, if they just sent this note home, I would be contacting his teachers, guidence counlser and maybe even the school principal and set up a time good for all and go in person and have a discussion about this. I think this is important enough to sit down with all involved and discuss possible solutions and the ramifications here. I have been down this road and it is not easy. I know when our kids graduated, I am sure the school was glad our kids were out of there because we were very involved parents and I spent many days at school talking to teachers, counslers and the the principal.
04-25-2005, 02:34 AM
I really think the after school tutor you were offered a few months ago may help some, it is 1 on 1 attention and maybe he needs that. Summer school is a pain in th ebutt for parents but a wonderful option in this case. If you refuse all there efforts to help him like that, then you have no leg to stand on with the no child left behind law. They are making an effort to help him. Hope you get this mess straightened out soon.
04-25-2005, 02:49 AM
My understanding of the no child left behind law is that schools are required to test children on a regular schedule --- and if the overall ratings in a particular school, determined from the tests, do not meet requirements, that school may lose their federal funding. There may be more to it, but that's what my understanding is.
With Brandon's health problems, it's not surprising that he's having a problem in school --- and whatever action you need to take to help him, it needs to be stressed to him that his illness is the reason. I know he has gone to school many times when he didn't really feel good --- you may need to rethink that in the future --- and if he doesn't feel good, get your doctor's support and the school must provide tutor service in the home for prolonged absences.
I think summer school might be a good idea if his health permits, but right now the health has to be the priority. If he's feeling good by the time summer school starts, then I would go for it. If not, you will need your doctor's support with the school.
With two asthmatic boys, I think the entire school system rejoiced when they graduated --- because they were glad to be rid of me!
04-25-2005, 05:04 AM
Guest speakers, storyteller, one-on-one student support
Speakerís bureau, career/college fair, mentoring, character education
These are peopl ein your area who may be able to help with mentoring Brandon. Hope it helps
04-25-2005, 11:03 AM
i talked with them today when i went in and was told that they would only do one hold him back or summer school. thank God that makes me feel better.
brandon went to greenville for his test today they came back normal so the next step would be the o.r for more answers. if he has to go to the o.r then he wouldn't get to go to summer school for the first part. i feel like he is going to be messed up no matter what we do right now.
Thank you donna for explaining in English to me what it ment that helped a lot.
the after school program stopped at the beginning of spring break there no longer doing it.
Thanks for everyones help i'm going to try to go in and see a teacher some time next week i'm going to call and set something up tomorrow and try to get them to test him again but with it being so late in the year they may not test him until next year :(
04-25-2005, 02:59 PM
I checked out the "No Child Left Behind Act" for you.
It is "An act to close the achievement gap with accountability, flexibility, and choice, so that no child is left behind."
Basically it was enacted so no child would fall through the cracks. The school is held accountable for all children -- to provide them with an education.
There are excellent web sites that can help explain it to you. The web sites are:
I found this on the site -- "Ten Facts Every Parent Should Know About The No Child Left Behind Act."
1. No Child Left Behind gives schools more money.
2. No Child Left Behind holds schools accountable for results.
3. No Child Left Behind gives states and cities more control and more flexibility to use resources where they are needed most.
4. No Child Left Behind gives parents report cards so they can see which schools are succeeding and why.
5. No Child Left Behind focuses on teaching methods that have been proven to work.
6. No Child Left Behind provides funding to help teachers learn to be better teachers.
7. No Child Left Behind provides more than $1 billion to help children learn to read.
8. No Child Left Behind may let you transfer your child to a better public school if the state says your school needs to improve.
9. No Child Left Behind may provide your child with free tutoring if the state says his or her school needs to improve and your child is eligible.
10. No Child Left Behind requires states to test your child every year in grades three through eight in reading and math. Your child will also be tested at least once in high school. The tests will help you, your child and your child's teachers know how well your child is learning and when he or she needs extra help.
Any child who has any learning difficulties in school must be provided with extra help!
Hope this answers some of your questions. May everything work out for the best for all of you.
04-25-2005, 03:34 PM
I checked out the "No Child Left Behind Act" for you. It is "An act to close the achievement gap with accountability, flexibility, and choice, so that no child is left behind."
There are two great web sites that explain this act. They are:
There are ten facts every parent should know about this act. They are as follows:
NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND:
1. gives schools more money.
2. holds schools accountable for results.
3. gives states and cities more control and more flexibility to use resources where they are needed most.
4. gives parents report cards so they can see which schools are succeeding and why.
5. focuses on teaching methods that have been proven to work.
6. provides funding to help teachers learn to be better teachers.
7. provides more than $1 billion to help children learn to read.
8. may let you transfer your child to a better public school if the state says your childs school needs to improve.
9. may provide your child with free tutoring if the state says his or her school needs to improve and your child is eligible.
10. requires states to test your child in grades 3 through 8 in reading and math. Your child will also be tested at least once in high school. These tests will help you, your child, and your child's teachers know how well your child is learning and when he or she needs extra help.
**The law requires that all children needing extra help will have it provided to them through their school or school district. This law was enacted so that no child is allowed to "fall through the cracks." They must be provided with an education and given extra help if they need it.
I hope you found this info useful and I was able to answer some of your questions. Let me know if I can be of further help. Best of luck to all of you.
04-25-2005, 04:27 PM
Yes Jeanne i found it very useful thank you. i talked to the school today and they said if brandon goes to summer school and passes it he will be put in the next grade but if he doesn't then they would retain him. what scares me is that with brandon health problems that is the reason he fail behind. well the doctor said if this test today came out okay he wanted to take brandon to the o.r to look around if he did this it would be most likely threw summer break well that would stop brandon from going to summer school or at least the first part of it. and he needs to be there all the way threw it to be able to pass summer school
i told them today he has been in this school dis. since third grade and they have failed to test him again for iep. and i wanted it done so i'm calling tomorrow to set up a meeting with these teacher and try to demand this to be done again.
Thanks a billion for your help.
04-26-2005, 12:50 AM
I also found this site Rhonda http://www.ed.gov/nclb/landing.jhtml?src=pb But I was under the impression that the act was more for retaining money for the schools in order that the schools be able to afford the proper tutors for children that need that extra help and expand their teachings so that all schools will be teaching on a closer level. See some schools that have lesser money won't teach such classes like german where other schools that have the money will therefore the act comes in to play so that the school that has lessor money can recieve grants to allow them to teach the same classes as the school with money. Here in michigan it happens like that all the time. For instance the school where i live owosso has classes where high school learns to build homes but if you go like 12 miles away to laingsburg schools they don't. Smaller school less tax payers so they don't offer it because it's not a neseccary class to graduate on. But with the act they now can applie for a grant to be able to offer the class if they want. Where in turn that is where the parents play a role on being able to send their child to the laingsburg school because it is smaller the child will get more one on one however they still will have the choices of classes as if they went to a larger school in all school of choice. Anyway I could be wrong but that site and the other sites posted here should be able to clarify it for you.
04-26-2005, 03:02 AM
Hey! I just wanted to say that when I was in junior high I was making a "B" in Pre-algebra and my parents got me a tutor from the high school. (I was an overachiever--making a "B" made me cry.) We didn't have much money, (I don't know what it cost them), but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a lot. Maybe you could try something like that.
Also, my sister is an elementary teacher (she has taught 5th and 3rd grades) and she has tutored some kids in her class after school. I don't know if his teacher would be willing to do that, but it may be worth asking.
Also, I had urinary frequency my whole life. We weren't allowed to use the bathroom except for certain times and then in high school we weren't allowed to leave the classroom to use the bathroom, unless you had a doctor's note. So, my doctor gave me a new note every year. All the teachers were very understanding. Even if they don't have rules like that as your son gets older, get him a note anyway and have him show it to all his teachers so they will know.
I hope everything works out okay!!!
04-26-2005, 10:47 AM
the schools had an after school program up until spring break then it stopped. this is before brandon started missing so many days. There is no way we can afford a tutor no matter how badly i wish we could.
i'm going to go see the teachers next week so we can figure something out but found out they don't make a child go to summer school and retain them so that makes me feel better. i feel as long as he passes summer school everything should be okay. If his health holds out for him.
Thanks so much for everyone advice and exp. trying to explain this to me in terms i can understand i don't understand all that legal talk.
05-12-2005, 03:41 PM
The big controversy of NCLB is that the feds are requiring the testing... and are not following it with $$$$.
Schools much show a specific amount of achievement over three years. IF they don't they must provide tutoring or some kind of help for the students. The tutoring does not need to be at the home school, but can be anywhere that is offering the service and the school system has to allow the students to go where they can find help. It should be free to the student in the failing school.
08-08-2005, 04:12 AM
Hi Dixie, NCLB, that law has a lot of issues. It may well be for the parents but the teachers as well. I can e-mail w/ you Prinnyjoy@yahoo.com and answer direct questions if you'd like. As far as summer school goes. I have taught Summer School since NCLB was enacted. Summer School is paid for by the district and only the children who recommend this can be in attendance. As far as retention goes. During the first report card Parent Teacher Conference in the first quarter of school, if there is even the slightest bit of knowledge that the child is behind in anyway, we were required to document on report cards and and such if the child has potential for being retained the following year. Now if you'd like to fight this. The school board has retention hearing the last meeting of the year. I don't know if your district does but the parents can take it to the school board. I've had to attend these w/ parents fighting me on retention. That is when the teacher has to provide ALL documentation pertaining to the childs progress and such for the year to show just cause. Now, I provided w/ my parents who want to fight me, a daily journal which I write any kind of sitiation w/ the child, also I provided a log w/ every nurse pass given during the year as well as every copy of every letter I had written to the parents to help the child during the school year. You may or may not be successful but I'd say if you have any paperwork bring them ALL so you have something to show. Make copies of absolutely EVERY time you met w/ the teacher and take notes and such as you need these things as I know what the etachers will have. As far as the IEP goes, I know we had 500 kids and one school Psychologist. Teacher nakes referrel to Psychologist and before the speech and such it usually has to go w/ the psychologust recommendation first, We had one speech teacher as it is a specialized teaching and those teachers are not easy to come by. No excuse but I am just letting you know the problems of being on the other end of it. We had one speechteacher to share w/ 4 other schools. Problem w/ no Child Left Behind is there are mandatory requirements the school has to follow and there is the fundsing available. Hope it helps and also as far as the principal goes, he should know this and you can call him on it, one of the FIRST things you learn when teaching is that a child cannot be embaressed so if private matters are being out in the open, the principal isn't to embares a child. That is fact and is true. I'd talk w/ him about that. AZ. lawas differ I'm sure but Federal laws don't. E-mail me if I can assist further. Hope it helps. PEACE and JOY JOY JOY
08-08-2005, 04:29 AM
If you'd like to put your child in another school within the district under NCLB you can only transfer schools w/ no problem if the school your child attends in under School Improvement, which means the state is involved in getting the school to meet the standards of NCLB, I taught in a under performing school and the other schools were performing to standard. SO if you can get a school report card online you'd be able to know if your school is under School Improvement. Also this is what you may hear, Sorry to be the bearere of bad news, but if you get resistance, The Teacher will say the parent is the childs Primary educater. OK ramble done. I'm trying to give you as much info as I can. Hope it helps! PEACE and JOY
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