Dr. Jay Burstein
Dekalb Clinic
217 Franklin St.
Dekalb, IL 60115
815-758-8672

Dr. Jay D. Burstein is a
Board Certified Urologist
specializing in painful voiding syndromes and incontinence.

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Q & A with Dr. Jay : February 15, 2000

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1. What is the correct protocol for L-Arginine?
2. Sudden Bladder discomfort during pregnancy
3. MSM and DMSO
4. Can Alpha Lipoic Acid irritate the bladder and/or cause IC?
5. Are we at an impasse in the progress to control this disease since the introduction of "Elmiron"?
6. IC and Infection
7. Ditropan & Valium
8. Can IC be controlled with diet only?
9. Back pain and IC
10. How much of a role does genetics play with IC?
11. Can I get my medical records from my doctor?
12. Straining while urinating
13. Do IC patients have memory problems?
14. What should I expect prior to and after hydrodistention?
15. NAET for treatment of IC

1. Can you please address the protocol for L-Arginine? What dosage do you recommend and how often? Is it safe to take for an extended period of time? Should one go off of it periodically?

Dr. Jay Burstein: The standard dosage is 500 mg, 3x a day. L-Arginine is an amino acid, which is a building block of protein. Proteins are naturally found in the body. This is actually a food substance with no side effects. If you're going to use it, I think it should be used long term.


2. I was diagnosed with IC in 1982. I am now 16 weeks pregnant (age 37) and have had no problems until this week. I am having bladder discomfort and frequent urination. Since this did not occur until recently, can this be IC related? My Ob-Gyn's office has looked at the urine sample but they don't pay much attention when I tell them if it's related to IC the sample will not show a bacterial infection. Any suggestions??

Dr. Jay Burstein: Yes, it's possible that the IC made it worse. However, we have found that 75% of patients who become pregnant usually get better. A urinalysis is absolutely necessary here to rule out a possible UTI. At 16 weeks, it can be normal for the uterus to put some pressure on the bladder. This could be a source of your discomfort. Sometimes the uterus may also move, which could resolve your problem as well.


3. Is taking MSM orally as effective as having DMSO installations directly to the bladder? And are there any harmful side effects?

Dr. Jay Burstein: There are no clinical studies showing that MSM is effective for IC. I'm unfamiliar with the use of the supplement and heartily encourage you to contact the manufacturer for safety information.


4. I take Alpha Lipoic Acid three times a day. Is it possible that this supplement can irritate the bladder and cause IC? Thanks

Dr. Jay Burstein: I've referred to Gerald F. Combs "The Vitamins, 2nd ed." From Academic Press. It states that lipoic acid is an antioxidant. However, only trace amounts are needed in tissues to be effective. Available information indicates that animals are completely capable of manufacturing lipoic acid. No deficiency disorders have been reported linked to lipoic acid. Lipoic Acid supplementation has shown to be without effect in various research studies. This sounds like a waste of your money.


5. Are we at an impasse in the progress to control this disease since the introduction of "Elmiron"? In other words, is that the latest and the greatest we've got so far, or is there something spectacular lurking on the horizon? Just wondering/hoping.

Dr. Jay Burstein: No, we're not at an impasse. One of the new treatments worth looking at is BCG. In research studies at William Beaumont Hospital, they've shown a 60% response rate & improvement in IC patients, compared with a 27% placebo response. This response was durable for up to thirty three months. To learn more about BCG, please review Ken Peters "Meet the Expert" transcript on the ICN.


6. There are some health professionals who believe that IC is caused by an infection of the wall of the bladder with enterococcus and a few other bacteria which typically cant be cultured well with conventional agar culturing techniques. Some of the IC patients who have been treated with long term antibiotics targeted to these bacteria have gotten well. Do you think it's possible that with agar, in contrast to broth cultures of urine, that doctors are missing the bacteria? Why don't most labs do more thorough culturing of urine? Thanks for your comments.

Dr. Jay Burstein: The question of whether IC is the result of a fastidious agent has yet to be confirmed although some early research has been intriguing. It is possible that a small percentage urology patients may have some type of low grade infection but this may be one of many possible causes of urinary tract irritation.

Just because bacteria is present, doesn't mean that there is an infection. Consider your skin. At any one time, you will find bacteria on your skin, but that doesn't mean that you have an active infection. So, the presence of low count bacteria from a urine specimen may not represent a true infection. Infection is defined by inflammation. You have to have an inflammatory response. So when a microbiologist exams for an infection, he needs to see an infectious agent (a bacteria) and white blood or pus cells. If there is no pus, then it is defined as a colonization.

Is it normal for enterococcus to colonize the bladder? No.

Is a full urologic evaluation warranted if enterococcus is found? Absolutely.

If we have patient who has active symptoms, the presence of bacteria, but no pus cells, we'll still treat for infection.

A word of caution: Patients should never self administer antibiotics. This can result in severe resistant infections. If you feel that you have an infection, request a urinalysis and culture. You should never take antibiotics unless an infection is found by culture. Treatment for yeast may also be needed.

Talk over any concerns you have with antibiotics with your personal physician. Just understand that some physicians won't do this if they don't see the triad if symptoms, inflammation and bacteria.


7. Can Ditropan cause or aggravate bladder irritation? Is Valium a choice for soothing bladder irritation?

Dr. Jay Burstein: No, actually Ditropan is a muscle soother. It's an anti-spasmodic that helps to reduce bladder sensation. It decreases the sensation of the urge to urinate. I have had no patients complaining of increased irritability from Ditropan. Valium is not bladder specific. We use it very sparingly in our practice.

For bladder irritation, I recommend bladder alkalization. Potassium Citrate or Sodium Bicarbonate can help. The use of a topical anesthetic, like pyridium, can be used short term. It's metabolism is a little rough on the kidneys, so we prefer short term use only. Urised is a combination of several medications that can reduce bladder sensitivity.

Prelief, for food sensitivities, can alkalinize the foods. That can, perhaps, reduce food induced irritation.


8. I have just been recently diagnosed with IC and wonder if IC can be controlled and eventually go into remission with just diet control. If I eliminate all the foods that bother me, will the inflammation eventually go away...or will I need some form of treatment to solve the problem?

Dr. Jay Burstein: For many patients, IC can be controlled primarily through diet. There is no question about that. However, research suggests that the earlier that IC is diagnosed and treated, the easier it is for the condition to improve. With today's relatively easy treatments, like Hydroxyzine, there's no reason to rely on just one approach. It seems like you're looking for one specific easy thing to do. And, it might work. Usually it's a multi modal approach to treating IC is more effective. You shouldn't exclude other approaches.


9. My main symptom is back pain. My doctor has prescribed different pain medications, but they basically just make me sleepy, but the pain is still there. Any suggestions to obtain some relief?

Dr. Jay Burstein: I do not usually see back pain as a main symptom of IC. Yes, the pain can radiate to the back but it doesn't tend to be the main manifestation in my IC practice. My suggestion would be a thorough orthopedic examination and referral to a pain center. The trend for pain clinics now is to blend alternative and complementary pain strategies, including: botanical and herbal remedies, trigger point injections, acupuncture, massage therapy, physical therapy and deep tissue manipulations. There's no reason for you to suffer at home. Use the available resources in your community. Build your personal skills. Take a class in pain (and stress) management if needed! Take action and be proactive.


10. How much of a role does genetics play with IC. I have three daughters and so far one has been diagnosed with IC, I have it and probably another daughter.

Dr. Jay Burstein: Several people have asked about the genetic role of IC but, at this point, we just don't know. Research is currently being conducted to see if there is a genetic connection.


11. Can I get my medical records from my doctor? Will they give them to me?

Dr. Jay Burstein: In our state, Illinois, they have to provide this upon request. You can't have the originals, but they should make copies available of your file. Call your local medical association if you are unclear of the laws in your state.


12. Is it every okay to strain to urinate? Sometimes I feel like I have to push to get the urine out.

Dr. Jay Burstein: No, that's NOT normal. That can signify some type of obstruction or poor coordination between the pelvic muscles and the bladder. It could also indicate a neurogenic bladder. It would be important to have a urodynamic evaluation and pelvic floor assessment.

In spinal cord injuries, we often see a condition called "dysinergy" where the muscles that should be relaxing during the process of urination actually contract instead. In other cases, such as incontinence or pain syndromes, poor coordination can be a learned response. Thus, bladder retraining may be an option here.

Repeated straining can increase damage and promote the negative pathology to the pelvic floor. If you're finding yourself straining to urinate, consult your doctor.


13. Have any IC patients had memory problems or difficulty retaining information that might be related to the disease? This has been happening to me in the pass year.

Dr. Jay Burstein: No. That is, most likely, just distraction as a result of your symptoms or pain.


14. I am scheduled to have my first hydrodistention next Friday. I have two questions regarding preparation for this procedure. 1) What is the best diet during the two days or so prior to this treatment?(My doctor has just recommended no food or drink after midnight the night before.) And 2) What can I expect during the first day or two after this, as far as discomfort, urgency, and activities to refrain from? Thank you so much for your time.

Dr. Jay Burstein: (1) It's just a routine procedure. There's no reason to modify your diet before the procedure other than following the no food no drink rule after midnight.

(2) It's very individual. Some people do very well after a hydro, some are unchanged and some get worse. I tell my patients that you might get better, stay the same or get worse, which is why we prescribe pain medication and urised as needed. If you have a painful reaction to the procedure, you can anticipate needing to rest for a week or so. I've never had a patient get worse as a result of the procedure other than just post operative discomfort.


15. I've heard about NAET on the web and from other patients. Do you have any comments on this as a treatment for IC.

Dr. Jay Burstein: I was not aware that anyone was advocating the use of NAET until recently. Although I am usually receptive to alternative strategies for IC, I found NAET to be without merit.




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